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Offline Damned Wrongway

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« Reply #60 on: March 31, 2001, 02:58:00 PM »
God is just a comedian playing to an audience that's to afraid to laugh.


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« Reply #61 on: April 01, 2001, 02:20:00 PM »
cabby, my assessment of this guy would be similar to yours. But I think you've picked an easy target - a straw man.

I'm curious. How many of you guys call yourselves scientists?

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« Reply #62 on: April 01, 2001, 05:35:00 PM »
Ammo, take the example of the eye. Something so complexc surely cannot have evolved into place. I mean, every little thing there has to be JUST right for us to see as good as we can. My father has an eye doc background and the eye is very delicate indeed.

Now, theists and others would argue that because of this incredibly complexity, and the need for the eye to function, it would need a creator and evolution would not be able to do it properly.

But in the animal kingdom, to which we as humans belong, *any* advantage, no matter how slim, is good. It is, to be sure, better to see a very blurred picture of a potential threat than to see nothing at all. R. Dawkins, a prominent biologist specializing in evolution, argues this eloquently in his "The Blind Watchmaker". it is a common mistake for us to equal dead things of our construction and the methods employed to the animal kingdom, but it is inaccurate when talking about organisms that actively fight off entrophy.

So, the case of the hummingbird would be very similar to the case of the human eye. Accumulative change over a long period of time, spurred by small advantages has lead to the hummingbird as it exists today.

Similarly, a person (cannot remember who argued "what a work of god the nose is! f I didn't have it, where'd I put my glasses on?" (paraphrasing).

Ammo, to each his own  . I'm sure you find strenght through your faith and I am equally sure it is a good force for you. As such, I do not want to belittle it (except when I am in Satan mode, at which time everyone of course takes me absolutely seriously  ).

It is perhaps unfortunate when science collides with this very spiritual thing in people one might call a soul. But science lives a life of its own and it not actively seeking out a confrontation with various religions; it's just a quest for knowledge. If theists feel the results of a scientific process is unacceptable or just plain wrong, to me, they're entitled to their opinion.

But if they argue that a scientific theory is wrong, I might feel compelled (should I have any understanding of the subject) to make a few posts that might seem, hm, going against religions  . They are not against religion, but for science  .

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« Reply #63 on: April 02, 2001, 07:48:00 AM »
 
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Why should us "religous" people..(i dont like the word religion, that is too big a bowl to put us in, I am a believer in Jesus Christ as the savior of all those who will believe) be tolerant, God is certainly not tolerant of sin?

Hmmm... Why should us atheistic people be tolerant because religious people are not tolerant because their god is certainly not tolerant of sin?

 
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God abhors sin, cannot allow it into heaven. While I dont think that we oughta go out and kill folks over it, I certainly dont have to accept their sinful lifestyle as just another way of life.

I guess that means we atheists don't have to accept your "we believe in god so we can do what we want and want other to be like us" lifestyle as just another way of life? Sounds fair.

As long as other people don't mess with my personal life they can believe in holy hampster or whatever but once they start to force their beliefs upon me I get angry. I don't tell them how they should live and I certainly wont listen how they would like me to live.

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