What about new 109's

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Karnak

EDIT:

The Ta152H-1 only has one known combat encounter that I know of, vs Tempests in a 2v2 which the Ta152's won 2 to 1 IIRC.

Only one Tempest of #486 was lost piloted by Mitchell and even then he spun in. One 152 was also lost of the 4 flying (Sattler(killed), Reschke, Auffhammer, ???) that April 15 1945 but this was not due to being shot down in combat.

There was several encounter with Soviet a/c with several claims. (Reschke and Loos being the major claiments)

[FalconSix]

Originally posted by Karnak
FalconSix,

For you info, HTC does model poor fuel  and reduced engine performance from it for the Japanese.  They don't seem to just go with the top end, ideal aircraft or the Ki-84 would be doing about 370mph on the deck and 425mph at 20,000ft.  That is what it was capable of with good maintainance and good fuel, as the tests in the US showed.  Instead it does 344mph on the deck and 388mph at 20,000ft.

They model the Frank using Japanese fuel, the fuel it was designed to run on. Not the US fuel used in the 425mph test of a captured Frank. The Frank was never designed to run on US high-octane gas. A 1.98 ata K-4 would be running on German fuel, produced and used by Germany during the entire war (C3).

[Kev367th]

C3 was produced and used thoughout the entire war?

Didn't know that, but always willing to learn new stuff.

[FalconSix]

The BMW801 radial engine used in the 190A series could only run on C3 fuel (roughly equivalent to US/UK 100/130 octane). So from 1941 onwards all 190 squadrons used C3 exclusively.

[Kev367th]

Ok thanks.

Not quite the entire war though.
I know picky, but shows how a slight error in a claim could cause problems (I should know lol, I made a few last few days, but i learn't from them, so it's all good), no offense meant.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by FalconSix The BMW801 radial engine used in the 190A series could only run on C3 fuel (roughly equivalent to US/UK 100/130 octane). So from 1941 onwards all 190 squadrons used C3 exclusively.

Not true, only the BMW801D-2 and after engine used C3 fuel. Previous models used B4 fuel. C3 was equivalent to Allied 100/150 fuel.

[Kev367th]

And this would push C3 usage back to - Spring 1942?

Thank God Merlins are easier to keep track of.

What are definately LW equivalents (seen various claims)-
87 - B4?
100/130 -C3?
100/150

Any others?

Gotta admit I thought 100/130 was roughly equivalent to C3.

[FalconSix]

Thanks Milo. Do you know when the Germans started producing C3 fuel?

And btw. you should be careful using words like "not true". "Incorrect" would have served the same purpose without implying I was lying.

[mora]

Originally posted by Kev367th
I also think HT should set a minimum # on that type of aircraft or variant produced, prevents all these discussions.

That would be a huge injustice. It would eliminate M205 and all other late war Italian planes. It would also eliminate Brewster B-239 which had a much bigger impact than many planes we currently have. Numbers don't tell squat about a planes impact on the war.

[Kev367th]

Whoa dont get upset,
I totally agree numbers don't, but would be nice to have some standard that planes should reach to be introduced.
Be it impact, numbers made or anything else you can think of, or a combination, rather than the haphazard method used now.
Wouldn't it also depend at what level HT set the number?

This is only a discussion, everyone has their own ideas and point of view.

[FalconSix]

Originally posted by Kev367th
... but would be nice to have some standard that planes should reach to be introduced ...

Why? HTC decides which planes they want to have in the game. The "standard" is whatever HTC wants.

[Kev367th]

You do realise these are public forums for people to express an opinion.
An opinion that may differ with your high and mighty one, but an opinion none the less.
Which is why when Mora quite correctly raised conscerns about certain planes, I asked him what he thought in his opinion would be a good idea or yardstick.

Yes it's HT game and he runs it as he sees fit, but he also listens to and agrees with some stuff on the forums.
If it wasn't for that you wouldn't have a Ki-84 with WEP.
You wouldn't have side ENY limits
You wouldn't have a minimum of 75% fuel
HQ would still be old hardness
The list goes on, and on ,and on.

Forums are for suggestions and discussions, guess thats why they call them forums, you don't agree with a suggestion , fine. You'd be surprised how many discussions  (some heated) by the community have actually led to game changes.

I just happen to think some common yardstick could be used, you don't.
Leave it at that.

[Karnak]

FalconSix,

The Ki-84 was designed to use the higher octane fuel, not the crap the Japanese had.  You're flat wrong.  It used their fuel because that is all they had.

Why else do you think it is using a derated engine?

[Kev367th]

Karnak - C3 Fuel, 100/130 or 100/150?

Seen both suggested, not just here either.

[straffo]

if it was for realism all late 109 would be for newbies and perked for the experten