Originally posted by Kev367th
Sorry guys had to add this - found on another forum Kurfy posts to http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/3441006933/r/3831072243
Dated July 28 2005.
C3 fuel stocks- needed for 1.98ata
23 april 45- 116,000l
28 april 45 - 80,000l
This he says demonstrates heavy reiliance on C3 fuel - DOES IT
116,000-80,000=36000/5 days = 7200l per day
Divide that by 400l (fuel capacity of K4/G10 without drops) = 18 sorties per day.
Even allowing returning home with 1/4 tank that only = 24 per day
These are total sorties for ALL C3 1.98ata aircraft not just K4
Ok benefit of doubt:
They all returned home safely with a 1/4 tank
NONE were shot down
NONE were lost on the ground
NO aircraft flew more than 1 sortie per day (ie 24 sorties, 24 aircraft).
Even allowing for a 50% swing on odd days i.e 1 day 12 sorties, next day 36, that still isn't even 1/2 of the K4 available, and that still assuming ALL C3 went to the K4 only.
So we have an average of 24 sorties per day for 5 days for ALL C3 aircraft (K4, G10 etc), and this supports 79 K4's all running 1.98ata?
What is more likely as I have speculated is that very few of the remaining 79 K4 could use 1.98ata.
The more you dig into Kurfys 'assumptions' the more unbelievable they become.
So Kurfy get all the benfits of the doubt and it still doesn't add up: Is it just me or can anyone see the flaw in Kurfys logic, if its just me, please say so.
The problem is that Kev is getting lower and lower into the sewer of lies, manipulating every info in desperation..
I posted this info on ubi.com, and also at butch`s board. It shows the C-3 stock of a single Italian 109 unit, that had 39 109G-10, 3 K-4s and 30 G-6s/G-14 : 72 fighters in total.
Kev grew happy and came up with an absurd story about it, that it`s kinda the entire C-3 fuel stock of the Germans in 1945, which the Germans would need to share along all units etc. etc.
It`s simply not. NOT for all the LW, all 109 units, or all 109K units as Kev likes to twist it.
This is not consumption either, it`s simply the stock state at day. Consumption figures cannot be exactly deducted, as supplies were recevied and this made up for some of the consumption : ie. on April 29th there was 10 000 liter C-3, a day late 13 000 liter. Perhaps the 109 could make fuel, too?
Just the fuel stocks of a unit with 70-odd 109s, and they use C-3 fuel for their mounts, even when it`s not required.
In fact, it relates to the use of C-3 fuel by the Axis-Italian air force (ANR) in the last days of the war. I guess they were not preferred over genuie Luftwaffe units in being supplied with high octane fuel...
Noteworthy that this unit is not even listed as having to convert to 1.98ata which would require.. in other words, this unit used C-3 fuel even when it absolutely didn`t need to...
Aircrafts of this unit :
Bf 109s
7 G-6s
27 G-14s
39 G-10
3 K-4s
2 G-12 trainers
Futher 12 S.79 transports, I take these operated on B-4.
As seen, the most important engine was the DB 605D in the 109K and G-10, developing 1850 PS w. B-4 fuel and 2000 HP w. C-3 fuel.
The DB 605 A and AM engines of the G-6/G-14 could run on either fuel, but the output would remain the same.
The fuel stocks were as the following, and suggest that the primary fuel used by the Italian 109s was C-3.
Noteworthy that the Germans choosed to supply only C-3 fuel to Italy, but not B-4.
Source : "Air War over Italy".
Moreover, the claimed specific shortage of C-3 against B-4 seems odd, in view that 2/3s of the production was C-3 grade... :
The relative volumes of production of the two grades cannot be accurately given, but in the last war years the major volume, perhaps two-thirds (2/3) of this total has the C-3 grade. Every effort was being made toward the end of the war to increase isoparaffin production so that C-3 volume could be increased for fighter plane use. The isoparaffin usage in that grade had already been cut to a minimum.
via Fischer-Tropsch :
http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/primary_doc...20and%20sources. In short, Kev has no idea of the whole thing.
