Why is it that bombers ARE SO EASY to get shot down?

[fastfed]

I understand allot of you 109 pilots are good with your monster cannons and all
But seriously, it seems just a couple hits to the wings and they rip in half.. Is it just so easy to hit the planes, or is the bombers ( Mostly 17's that I fly ) really weak in this game??


I play the game mainly for them.. I am a huge b17 2 fan and know it was a little or I should say ALLOT harder to shoot these guys down...

[Flit]

It's the 30 mils
 They like to eat big bites

[ghi]

Originally posted by fastfed
I understand allot of you 109 pilots are good with your monster cannons and all
But seriously, it seems just a couple hits to the wings and they rip in half.. Is it just so easy to hit the planes, or is the bombers ( Mostly 17's that I fly ) really weak in this game??
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No, imop the bombers are too strong, in game
 See the picture , on the right, 1 (only1)   x 30mm MK108 shell  damage in bomber fuselage, was tested on the ground without dinamic forces like in flight

[MajWoody]

Talk to 999000, he's a pretty good buff pilot.
Shoots down lots of fighters. Prolly have lots of helpfull info.

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by ghi

No, imop the bombers are too strong, in game
 See the picture , on the right, 1 (only1)   x 30mm MK108 shell  damage in bomber fuselage, was tested on the ground without dinamic forces like in flight


[/B]

That shot of the fuselage may be only one mk108, but I guarantee there was more then just that rounds HE explosion.  More than likely, it hit an O2 bottle, or a source for a secondary explosion.

[Oleg]

Originally posted by ghi
No, imop the bombers are too strong, in game
 See the picture , on the right, 1 (only1)   x 30mm MK108 shell  damage in bomber fuselage, was tested on the ground without dinamic forces like in flight

Blen is slightly smaller than B17, yeah? Even Mosquito was able to rtb after two 30mm hits.

[Siaf__csf]

So bodhi you think they left O2 bottles and fuel inside the fuselage when they did the experiments?

The Blenheim and probably spit were shot on a test range.

[Furball]

Originally posted by Oleg
Blen is slightly smaller than B17, yeah? Even Mosquito was able to rtb after two 30mm hits.

Wood worked well to dissipate the force of the 30mm.  IIRC it is metal fuselage and wings where the 30mm has its strongest effect.

It was most powerful when it exploded inside the small sections within the wing/fuselage structure, expanding that area and causing critical damage.  Because wood was all one solid structure it had nowhere to expand to and damage was less.

That is why in the pictures above it had such a dramatic effect on the Blenheim and Spitfire rear fuselage - as they are both relatively narrow, it would likely have the same effect on the wings/tail of a B-17/24/Lanc but would not have such an effect if it hit in the fuselage as the volume would dissipate the effect to a certain extent.

[Clip121]

Originally posted by fastfed
I understand allot of you 109 pilots are good with your monster cannons and all
But seriously, it seems just a couple hits to the wings and they rip in half.. Is it just so easy to hit the planes, or is the bombers ( Mostly 17's that I fly ) really weak in this game??


I play the game mainly for them.. I am a huge b17 2 fan and know it was a little or I should say ALLOT harder to shoot these guys down...

Heck I think bombers are too strong!!!  Most of the time when I see buffs coming I just ignore....  Seems I always got killed more than I killed em.

[Siaf__csf]

Weirdly enough so do I - but when I look at the stats its like 24 vs 2. Still every time it happens I swear 'never again.'

Untill the next time.

Possibly has to do also with the fact that most often I manage to kill 1 buff before he gets my oil or pilot and force me to rtb. Hence high k/d ratio even though I got 'shot down' on every attempt.

[Hoarach]

It would be easier for the 109s because they have a 30mm cannon.  When I go up against buffs with my 38 its much harder and takes a lot more rounds to knock down a 17.

[fastfed]

Well then I am going up against serious pro's..

I shoot em down plenty, don't get me wrong.. But it seems almost everyone with a couple rounds can easily take off my wings..

[ghi]

Originally posted by fastfed
I understand allot of you 109 pilots are good with your monster cannons and all
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Do you think the size doesn't matter?

[Wotan]

That shot of the fuselage may be only one mk108, but I guarantee there was more then just that rounds HE explosion. More than likely, it hit an O2 bottle, or a source for a secondary explosion.

You would be wrong. Those test were done by the RAF on static aircraft on the ground. The 3cm was suspend centered in of the fuselage and then detonated electrically. The 3cms being recovered from downed German aircraft.

It wasn't a 'shot', nor was there a collatoral explosion.

The Mossie did recieve hits, but the Mossie is made of wood. The German mine rounds were designed to blow out stressed skin, they aren't as destructive against wood or cloth...

So much for your guarrantee...

Originally posted by ghi:

Do you think the size doesn't matter?

Size doesn't matter, its the amount PETN that matters in regards to the above tests.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Oleg
Blen is slightly smaller than B17, yeah? Even Mosquito was able to rtb after two 30mm hits.

The Mosquito was, contrary to it's performance in AH, one of the more capable aircraft when it came to absorbing punishment.


And as can be seen, the Mossie's damage was severe despite the relative resiliance of it's wooden structure.