Clinton's Watch

[Gunslinger]

This is a spin off of Nash's republican thread.  What do you think of Clinton's watch?  Keep it appropriate, keep Bush out of it, and be respectfull of other posters.

Here's why I dislike him:
1.  Changed the face of the Military in terms never seen before.  Created a "sensative" force.  We spent more time on "sensativity training for Homos and minorities" than we did time on the rifle range.
2.  Cut DOD spending big time while deployments increased 300% on his watch.
3.  Decreased our ability to recruit HUMINT in the CIA by making it illegal to recruit those with questionable backrounds as informants.
4.  Gave the Chinese full access to the whithouse to include nuclear secrets.  Chinese espionage increased 10 fold during Clinton's administration.
5.  September 11th was mostly planned and even warned about on his watch (See no. 3)
6.  AQ grew exponentially under Clinton's watch.
7.  Terrorism on his watch increased (twin towers #1, Khobar Towers, Embasy's in Africa, and the USS Cole
8.  Lied before a federal grand jurry
9.  Becaue of his scandels he did not have the political clout to actually persue terrorists with actual force instead of lobbing missles at them

[SMIDSY]

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[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by SMIDSY
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Never said that gays were bad fighters I said we spent more time learning how to be sensative to them than we did at the rifle range.

I guess lying to a federal grand jury is ok huh?  Maybe if he hadn't been messing with his intern he would have been in a better position to persue terrorists that flourished on his watch?

Edit:
SMIDSY, in addition, please be polite.  We need to prove to the admins that we can have a civilized discussion here.

[Chairboy]

I think his handling of Jocelyn Elders was shameful.   She gave an honest, insightful answer to a sensitive question, and his cowtowing to the religious right was a disgrace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jocelyn_Elders

[Maverick]

If clintoon had 'fessed up about the intern it would have all blown over. Instead he drug the thing out with his lying to the nation and under oath, a felony. All he had to do is say, yup I did it, it was a mistake and I'll never do it again. Frankly I would have respected him for that had he done so, instead he denied it until faced with incotrovertable proof.

His treatment of the military was second only to carter in drawing it down. It left us on shakey ground in dealing wiht a full fsingle front never mind the contingency plan for a second area of ops if needed like we have now.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Chairboy
I think his handling of Jocelyn Elders was shameful.   She gave an honest, insightful answer to a sensitive question, and his cowtowing to the religious right was a disgrace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jocelyn_Elders

I forgot all about her comments.  That's funny when you think about it but an honest if candid answer.

[Sandman]

I think he was weak.

He should have backed Elders.
He should have never settled for "don't ask don't tell".
He should have told the grand jury to pack sand.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
I guess lying to a federal grand jury is ok huh?

The whole case was totally uncalled for.
No other US presidents side leaps were taken this far, not even as far as into the newspapers. Let alone a federal grand jury...
All it was, was an attempt to drive him out of the politics and get the money hungry b****es a wallet full of cash.

For some reason it was a bigger deal than starting a war with false reasons - instead it was CIA's fault. In return the CIA got bigger budget and the person responsible of the false information somehow is still working for the CIA and received extra money!

Maybe Clinton should've accused Lewinsky for raping him or someone for hiring her.


I'd just love to see Bush questioned the same way for reasons, which would actually be worth the time.
I bet he would be caught of lying as well - for several times worse crimes.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Fishu
The whole case was totally uncalled for.
No other US presidents side leaps were taken this far, not even as far as into the newspapers. Let alone a federal grand jury...
All it was, was an attempt to drive him out of the politics and get the money hungry b****es a wallet full of cash.

For some reason it was a bigger deal than starting a war with false reasons - instead it was CIA's fault. In return the CIA got bigger budget and the person responsible of the false information somehow is still working for the CIA and received extra money!

Maybe Clinton should've accused Lewinsky for raping him or someone for hiring her.


I'd just love to see Bush questioned the same way for reasons, which would actually be worth the time.
I bet he would be caught of lying as well - for several times worse crimes.

lying to a federal grand jury is still ilegal even if you don't agree with the questions.  any other average joe would have done time for what he did.  It's also my contention that he's the one who put himself in that position to begin with.  Because of that he lacked the clout to act when the country need him to be presidential.  

I could care less what he lied about just the fact that he did it under oath.

PS Bush doesnt have anything to do with this thread so why bring it up.

Sandy,

I agree with you on all counts.  He did alot worse things to the US military than let gays in.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Gunslinger

I agree with you on all counts.  He did alot worse things to the US military than let gays in.

But he didn't let them in. They were already there.

[rpm]

The Republicans were bloodthirsty. They wasted millions of dollars and all they found was a stained dress.

Overall, I liked him and the job he did. "It's the economy, stupid."

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
PS Bush doesnt have anything to do with this thread so why bring it up.

No he doesn't, but I'm wondering why such a big mess was made out of Clinton's affairs, while no other president has been made to go through the same or why they aren't as interested in more serious allegations.

[Saintaw]

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[Raider179]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
This is a spin off of Nash's republican thread.  What do you think of Clinton's watch?  Keep it appropriate, keep Bush out of it, and be respectfull of other posters.

Here's why I dislike him:
1.  Changed the face of the Military in terms never seen before.  Created a "sensative" force.  We spent more time on "sensativity training for Homos and minorities" than we did time on the rifle range.
2.  Cut DOD spending big time while deployments increased 300% on his watch.
3.  Decreased our ability to recruit HUMINT in the CIA by making it illegal to recruit those with questionable backrounds as informants.
4.  Gave the Chinese full access to the whithouse to include nuclear secrets.  Chinese espionage increased 10 fold during Clinton's administration.
5.  September 11th was mostly planned and even warned about on his watch (See no. 3)
6.  AQ grew exponentially under Clinton's watch.
7.  Terrorism on his watch increased (twin towers #1, Khobar Towers, Embasy's in Africa, and the USS Cole
8.  Lied before a federal grand jurry
9.  Becaue of his scandels he did not have the political clout to actually persue terrorists with actual force instead of lobbing missles at them

1)True
2)Deployments larger than current ones?
3)Cough cough, ever hear of Curveball?
4)Speculation/blame, name the number of Chinese spies caught during Clinton's time in office please.
5)Republicans were too occupied about Clinton's sexual life and it poisened his ability to respond effectively against small scale terrorist attacks.
6)Don't even try to compare it to how it has grown under Bush.
7)Add up American deaths from all 3 of those and see if you get the same number of Americans that died in 9/11, under Bush's watch.
8)Was he convicted of Perjury? He lied about cheating on his wife.Show me 1 case where someone was charged for lying about that....
9)Again he had scandals in his administration but he was never charged with a crime or did I miss something? The republicans sapped his power by making him look "unfitting" to hold office. Not because of him and Monica but because he lied about it. pffft. The only one who had a right to question Bill about Affairs was Hillary, not the republican congress. You want to blame someone blame them because they were in office too and I didnt see any of them standing up saying lets get terrorists. They were too busy persuing Bill for his indiscretions.

10)How are we supposed to keep Bush out of it when you are comparing Clinton to him in your first post? Unless you meant the other presidents that dealt with Al-qaida:lol

[Hangtime]