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Offline Vulcan

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« on: August 22, 2005, 05:34:36 AM »
If a god existed, and created the universe, how/where/when did god exist before the universe existed?

ie can a god exist in non-existance?

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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2005, 05:45:46 AM »
Some believe that time actually began - that there was a "start" to all this. I would challenge them to write down the number of the year relative to our AD system when time began, and then I would write down the number of the year before that. Funnily enough, I never had any takers.

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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2005, 06:15:57 AM »
Same place a stopwatch starts
0000



It may have been billions of years before earth or our solarsystem itself appeared.

The natural tendancy is to try to put it in terms of BC/AD terms as is typical of human arrogence

Actually its a question that cant be accuratly answered cept in general terms.

But if a year could be put on it it would have to be 0000.00

Just like a stopwatch
« Last Edit: August 22, 2005, 06:28:27 AM by DREDIOCK »
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2005, 06:23:03 AM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Same place a stopwatch starts
0000


Bzzzzzzzzzzt! Go back to school ;)

Reread beetles question, then smack yourself around the head a bit.

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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2005, 06:54:17 AM »
Infinity, as a mathematical concept never reaches zero.  Time can't begin or end in the grand scheme of things, because time is a man made concept.  Time probably doesn't exist where man isn't.  Kinda like the definition of sound.  Sound is defined in physics books as the human ear receiving sound vibrations from  an outside source.

The physics definition of sound implicitly requires the human ear to hear it.  Probably the same with time.  We know of it for as long as we are on Earth, because here it is an integral part of our being.





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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2005, 07:08:59 AM »
Sound does exist as it's a waveform in a substance. Therefore it is real even outside human perception.

If humans could hear like bats we'd have 'sonar' and many other perceptions too. :D

Nobody really understands time so far. It's something we're bound to in our lives and which controls us. Yet it doesn't have to be constant.

We're stuck in the 4th dimension pretty much the same way that a person who sits in a train is stuck to it. It moves along and the passenger really can't have a proper perception of it untill he steps outside the train. Which we obviously cannot do.

So whether the train travels straightforward or in circles, the passenger can only observe the scenery as it happens. The effect is multiplied if each passenger only lives a fraction of the distance between stations. Which we obviously do.

Some curious passengers can then observe the candy wrappers and seat wear the previous generations have left after them. They can make observations such as jumping inside the train and jumping on the roof of the train in order to see the difference.

But that's pretty far off from surviving a jump off the train or taking control of it, forcing it to go backwards let alone find out where the train was built.

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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2005, 07:29:51 AM »
God wasn't there first; "the word" was:

In the beginning was the Word; and the Word was with God; and the Word was God"......

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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2005, 07:34:11 AM »
Word!

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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2005, 07:40:06 AM »
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God wasn't there first; "the word" was:

In the beginning was the Word; and the Word was with God; and the Word was God"......



So the Word "God" was just floating around in a sea of nothingness? Like a film title?

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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2005, 08:19:51 AM »
Maybe we're just in beta testing before the actual release?

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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2005, 08:19:52 AM »
Eternity is the absence of time. Without time there is only nothing. Time is the fourth dimension, without that axis there is no molecular activity. That means no matter and no energy, without matter there can be no negative matter. Because of time, nothing does not exist. Nothing and time cannot coexist.

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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2005, 08:29:37 AM »
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Originally posted by Vulcan
If a god existed, and created the universe, how/where/when did god exist before the universe existed?

ie can a god exist in non-existance?


Do you mean before GoD was trapped on the planet in the middle of the universe behind the great barrier?

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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2005, 08:31:03 AM »
beta testers again will it never stop. whens the first patch.

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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2005, 09:04:45 AM »
The patch is otw. Its called Asteroid 2.0

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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2005, 09:11:06 AM »
actually, the asteroid has a name.

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