Author Topic: Discernment vs Judgment? (Read 1416 times)

Jackal1 · « **Reply #30 on:** August 24, 2005, 01:42:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Silat
Pat reaches and gets support from millions of christians.
http://www.patrobertson.com/Biography/index.asp
He has consideral influence and power to shape opinion.

ROFL
Not one to pop your bubble Lew, but that is the "official" Pat Robertson website.

Westy bailed on me.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #31 on:** August 24, 2005, 01:46:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Oh?

Lmao
Too easy.

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Nash · « **Reply #32 on:** August 24, 2005, 01:58:32 AM »

Uh, what?

The website that posts the numbers about Robertson's teevee numbers to the advertising industry is baaad for posting about its own numbers in garnering ad revenue?

How does that make the Robertson numbers wrong?

Too easy?.... Righto.

Everybody knows who Pat Robertson is, and there is a reason why, and that is because he's piped into people's homes all the time and there is a reason why that is too - because he's popular and you're trying to tell me that he's some insignificant tard...

If he was, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #33 on:** August 24, 2005, 02:04:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Everybody knows who Pat Robertson is, and there is a reason why, and that is because he's piped into people's homes all the time and there is a reason why that is too - because he's popular and you're trying to tell me that he's some insignificant tard...

Robertson happens to have a TV show that prays on the weak of mind for revenue. are you putting yourself in this group?
How total friggen naive can you get?

There are numerous ones just like him out there. All are insignificant unless you happen to be totaly brain dead.

Nash · « **Reply #34 on:** August 24, 2005, 02:11:31 AM »

Oh, he just happens to have a TV show.

And people just happen to watch him.

By the millions.

And he just happens to have said some random thing that everyone in the entire world heard.

Yet, he's just some random insignificant guy that has happened to spawn an equally random argument on a bulletin board by people seperated by thousands of miles, and whoah, even countless news stories. Two US Senators visiting the very subject of Robertson's version of foregn policy had to ensure him that he "shouldn't lose sleep over it."

Yeah, he's insignificant alright.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 24, 2005, 02:57:01 AM »

Tell ya what Nash. It`s pretty well going south from the subject matter, but I am about to pee on the fire and call in the dogs.
If you really beleive that a lot of stock is put into ANYTHING Robertson says or does and are that easily suckered then think on this overnight. In about 15 minutes I will put up a website expounding on your superior wisdom and insight. I will also include the fact that JC consults you on an hourly basis for guidance. I`ll even include a statement on how extremely handsome you are.
I can do all this if you will only send me a measely 2 to 300 grand for starters.
It will carry the same amount of influence as anything Robertson has or will say in the future.
G`night.
P.S. For an extra hundred grand i`ll say that the rumours are not true.

J_A_B · « **Reply #36 on:** August 24, 2005, 04:03:17 AM »

Sorry to butt in on a conversation in progress, but I have to say this:

"Everybody knows who Pat Robertson is"

Not everyone. As a test, I asked my wife "Hey, do you know Pat Robertson?" and she just looked at me blankly. To be honest, I don't know much about the guy either. I can't even link the name with a face. When I think of "The 700 club", I think of a hideously boring show my Aunt used to watch when I was a kid. I don't even know if what I remember is the same show or not.

This news is "slow news week" news.

J_A_B

SaburoS · « **Reply #37 on:** August 24, 2005, 04:15:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
you guys are right. He's got a HUGE following. That automatically makes all christians terrorists???

I know I got it, we can have EACH and everyone of his audience members sign a petition saying they don't like what he said and christianity is saved right?

I'm a christian and this guy doesn't represent me. I've honestly never heard him speak.

Gunny, I don't think anyone is saying that.
Robertson is an extremist fundamentalist christian. Much like he isn't a true christian, neither are those extremist muslims true muslims either. Neither will be seeing their heaven in the after-life.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #38 on:** August 24, 2005, 04:57:39 AM »

I think its safe to say that any kind of religious fundamentalists should be treated as public enemies.

SaburoS · « **Reply #39 on:** August 24, 2005, 05:16:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I think its safe to say that any kind of religious fundamentalists should be treated as public enemies.

It's the extremists, religious or otherwise that I view with suspicion.

Westy · « **Reply #40 on:** August 24, 2005, 07:28:52 AM »

I didn't bail on you. I only got online last night for a few minutes. Still, I can't find any logic or factual foundation to your myopic pov with which I can (or want to waste my time on) refute or counter.
All you've been doing is trying to minimize who Robertson is and any influence he has - which is considerable. Your argument so far is tantamount to "Neener neener! I can't hear you."

In other words anything I say may as well be directed toward a brick wall.

lazs2 · « **Reply #41 on:** August 24, 2005, 08:12:26 AM »

chairboy... you believe that the oklahoma bombing was because of religion? It was about attacking the federal government and would have happened if the branch dividians were just hermits with no religious background or... muslims.

I think that the point that the muslim religion promotes killing of non believers and the christian one does not is the fundamental difference... individual nutjobs asside... I am no fan of organized religion but the less tollerant of others a religion is... the more I fear it. If I were a woman I would be even more frieghtened of the muslims... course... you libs don't really care about womens rights tho except to get rid of the kid you spawned... that little problem... right?

lazs

Sakai · « **Reply #42 on:** August 24, 2005, 08:41:06 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
If I were a woman I would be even more frieghtened of the muslims... course... you libs don't really care about womens rights tho except to get rid of the kid you spawned... that little problem... right?

lazs

Yes, women have something to fear from fundamental Islam and fundamental Christianity both. Baptists recently said women, previously allowed to preside, could not and their place was in the home. Is this a step forward or backward? Give that trend time mate, they'll be wearing Burkas.

And let's not get snippy about religious tolerance, most of the US is evangelical Christian and they do not tolerate other religions. The nation makes them, but they personally do not. So saying Christianity is somehow tolerant as opposed to Islam is wholsale ignorance of what Christianity is and what its history is as practiced by men. Heck, most evangelists say that Catholics are not Christians! Boy, how's that for tolerance and enlightenment.

Every Christian believes it is their god appointed duty to convert others:

Where is the tolerance in that?

This is tolerance of convenience my friend, because you're forced to be tolerant in America under our laws, but when you look at Christian political strong arming and attempts to dogmatically control legislative and educational agendas, you have to admit:

Christians are ignorant, intolerant salamanders and that is likely why Christ himself said:

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Sakai

Chairboy · « **Reply #43 on:** August 24, 2005, 08:51:33 AM »

Lazs2, you're in error when you call me a 'lib' for 'liberal'. I can best be described as 'lib' for 'libertarian', and I'd appreciate the distinction.

Christian extremists have advocated the killing of unbelievers for hundreds of years. This is not a trait that is limited to Islam. You'll find that the majority of muslims feel the same way that the majority of christians do.

The christians think the muslims want to kill all non-muslims, and the muslims think the christians want to kill all non-christians.

The reason I suspect you can't see this is because you're involved by identifying yourself as christian. It's not until you're outside looking in that you see both groups are crazy.

lazs2 · « **Reply #44 on:** August 24, 2005, 08:57:58 AM »

chairboy...where have I identified myself as christian? I am not a christian by any stretch of the imagination... I am looking at it from the outside and see much more danger to my human rights from the muslims than from the christians.

saki... how cute... "give em time"? I deal with the now. mulsims advocate killing of nonbelievers and intolerance of non believers right now... when the christians get enough power to intrude on me I will worry about them.

I am not talking about extremists here... extremists by the very defenition are.... extreme.. I am talking about the fundamental teachings and beliefs of the two religions.

lazs