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« on: August 24, 2005, 10:04:35 AM »
What because an American has won it so many times they will do anything to bring him down. Why don't they just face it that he was the best and the best won, simple as that. The lab says it can't match names to the test yet
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The director of the Tour de France said it was a "proven scientific fact" that Lance Armstrong had a performance-boosting drug in his body during his 1999 Tour win




Give up and face it that you lost. Don't worry he won't be there next year so you all may have a chance again. :D


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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2005, 10:07:15 AM »
... can you say... "gottawin"? :D

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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2005, 10:12:55 AM »
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Originally posted by parker00 What because an American has won it so many times they will do anything to bring him down. Why don't they just face it that he was the best and the best won, simple as that. The lab says it can't match names to the test yet  


Look like the information is distorted when crossing the atlantic.

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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2005, 11:58:38 AM »
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What because an American has won it so many times they will do anything to bring him down. Why don't they just face it that he was the best and the best won, simple as that. The lab says it can't match names to the test yet  



Give up and face it that you lost. Don't worry he won't be there next year so you all may have a chance again. :D


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Seems to be that he has some explaining to do. Not that I care about cycling anyway though. lol

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9050722/

Tour director Jean-Marie Leblanc’s comments appeared in the French sports daily L’Equipe on Wednesday, a day after the newspaper reported that six urine samples provided by Armstrong during the ’99 Tour tested positive for the red blood cell-booster EPO.

“For the first time — and these are no longer rumors, or insinuations, these are proven scientific facts — someone has shown me that in 1999, Armstrong had a banned substance called EPO in his body,” Leblanc told L’Equipe.

EPO, formally known as erythropoietin, was on the list of banned substances at the time Armstrong won the first of his seven Tours, but there was no effective test then to detect it.

The allegations surfaced six years later because EPO tests on the 1999 samples were carried out only last year — when scientists at a lab outside Paris used them for research to perfect EPO testing. The national anti-doping laboratory in Chatenay-Malabry said it promised to hand its finding to the World Anti-Doping Agency, provided it was never used to penalize riders.

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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2005, 12:08:03 PM »
the guy also has cancer , might this EPO be something one would give to a cancer patiant?:rolleyes:
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2005, 01:11:18 PM »
Boxboy,

My thought as well. Perhaps a blood booster to counteract the effects of chemo that may be similar to the nasty enhancer.
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2005, 01:23:12 PM »
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What because an American has won it so many times they will do anything to bring him down. Why don't they just face it that he was the best and the best won, simple as that. The lab says it can't match names to the test yet  


Well, in 2002 Winter Olympics they disqualified Russian women skiing team for... too much haemoglobin in their blood!!!

Damn, why not because their muscles are too strong and they are healthier then others?...

Go tell Reingold Messner that his climbing Everest without oxygen equipment and other mountains over 8000m don't count just because his blood contains too much haemoglobin!...

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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2005, 01:23:22 PM »
Anyone know where I can get samples from Merckx's first win?

I'll bet Phillipedies was on something when he ran to tell Athens of the win at Marathon.  Is there maybe a sample I can get to test?
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2005, 02:22:15 PM »
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Boxboy,

My thought as well. Perhaps a blood booster to counteract the effects of chemo that may be similar to the nasty enhancer.


Exact , but not supposed to be used when the patient is cured.

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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2005, 03:52:50 PM »
Who said he is cured? Effects of chemo do not just go away right after you stop getting the treatment. There is also the probability that the cancer will resurface and medication can and frequently is a permanent situation. The wife is still on several cancer meds and the last surgery / chemo / radiation was about 5 years ago.

BTW why is this guy bringing up something from 6 years ago.
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2005, 04:13:48 PM »
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BTW why is this guy bringing up something from 6 years ago.


They had no test for the Substance EPO in 1999. They do now and they tested his "sample" last year.

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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2005, 04:44:21 PM »
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the guy also has cancer , might this EPO be something one would give to a cancer patiant?:rolleyes:



I don't see how that would be relevant, it's a banned substance.

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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2005, 05:43:39 PM »
I fail the piss test every time I take it at work but it's because of the MEDs I take.  It was funny how they all got worked up about it until I showed them my prescriptions...lol.  Now they don't even bother testing me.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2005, 05:50:54 PM »
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I fail the piss test every time I take it at work but it's because of the MEDs I take.  It was funny how they all got worked up about it until I showed them my prescriptions...lol.  Now they don't even bother testing me.
Do what Nexx does - take a can of Bud with you when it's time for your piss test.

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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2005, 05:56:45 PM »
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I don't see how that would be relevant, it's a banned substance.


Maybe, but there are probably several medications you would give to someone with cancer, depending on what type they had, to help deal with the side effects of the chemo, that have a similar chemical signature.  More than likely they only test for one or two chemicals found in EPO that are fairly unique, and not likely to be found in a healthy individual.