Church Bombings...

[Seagoon]

Thousands of them, every day in the MA...

Ok, this could have gone in the AH general area, but I wanted to discuss it with you lads, since you're the AH equivalent of family.

This is the one feature of the game that's bothered me for some time, that in order to capture an airfield you have to bomb and strafe a civilian town including all the local churches (How exactly do they prevent the takeover anyway? By inviting the troops in for a revival meeting???) Oh, and BTW where is the hospital, the school, and the orphanage that need to be flattened prior to the takeover?

I've debated how to bring the topic up; requesting that HT remove the churches entirely seemed counter-productive from my perspective. I then briefly considered asking HT to begin randomly adding in Synagogues and Mosques (Masjids) knowing that the user community would go berserk at the un-PCness of blowing them up, but at least that would illustrate my point. Personally, I'd much prefer not having to break the Geneva Convention in order to capture a field. Why not just replace the town with an adjacent military garrison rather than a civilian target?

I bring this up again simply because a little while ago I was participating in a capture with someone who filled the local vox with his glee at taking out the church and killing the biblethumpers.

Any thoughts? Yes, I know its just a game, but I would imagine that Jewish players would have significant problems with neo-nazi glee at getting to strafe and bomb a synagogue.

[BlueJ1]

Its a game. And if your going aganst the bombing of churches, then killing of other people should be ruled out then.

[CyranoAH]

What about the sheep? Why doesn't anybody think about the poor sheep??

[straffo]

You have trouble bombing a virtual church
you don't have trouble killing virtual human ?


It's a joke no ?

[StarOfAfrica2]

Well, while it may be a tad insensitive from that point of view, look at it this way.  No matter how many times that town is blown up, the churches are always one of the first things to come back up.    And you can be rest assured that no matter what country owns the field, there WILL be a church there.   It will always be rebuilt.  During a capture, just consider it a casualty of war.

[Tarmac]

Always thought it was odd that we had to obliterate the nearby civillian targets to take over the military ones.

I tried to explain it to a buddy who was new to AH once.  When he asked why you have to take out the town, I couldn't do any better than "uhh, because they supply the base with food and stuff."

A nearby garrison or supply depot/rail station would make more sense.  Not that I expect it to get changed, or even have a problem with it besides it doesn't seem very logical.

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by Seagoon
I then briefly considered asking HT to begin randomly adding in Synagogues and Mosques (Masjids) knowing that the user community would go berserk at the un-PCness of blowing them up, but at least that would illustrate my point.

Please elaborate as to whether or not your main interest is religious tolerance or making a point.

Most of the churches I see look like any other building, same with synagogues and mosques.  In fact, I would say that a church/synagogue/mosque that looks 'stereotypical', eg big onions for Islam, tall steeples for the Christians, and...  tall steeples I guess for the Jewish is actually pretty unusual and not so common after all.

This is another straw man argument, the way you (later in your post) bemoan the outrage that all of the libtards would have as they shook with PC fervor.  It hasn't happened, and it probably wouldn't happen.

Finally, I'm not sure how 'hip' you are to the religious layout of Europe.  During WWII, it was predominantly Christian.  The jewish synagogues looked pretty similar to the christian churches, and there was limited acceptance from either side for the muslims, so not a huge number of flashy mosques in smalltown deutschland.  The fact that the pacfic maps show so many churches is kinda funny, actually, considering how little christianity had taken root in asia at the time of the war.

Essentially...  this is a non-issue, and not just because I'm some sort of antichrist who probably sacrifices chickens while worshipping false idols or something.

[FiLtH]

Although I agree if it were a mosque or synagog(sp)  you'd probably here alot about it. I wouldnt let it bother ya. I mean its a virtual world. Id accept if you were virtually upset.

  I think it would be kinda cool if certain structures had penalties, but ww2 was total war. Things died and were destroyed that shouldnt have.

[Maverick]

I'd consider the term "church" as a rather generic term in the game. It would stand for all of the possible structures dedicated to all religions.

Other than removing them I don't see much of a possible fix to it.

[deSelys]

For the 1st time I miss the good ol' rolleyes emoticon.

If you want my 0.02 cents, I find it a bigger crime to bomb/destroy houses than religious buildings (if both are empty of people).

Stop playing the game if it offends you.

[CyranoAH]

If it makes you feel better, just assume those haven't been consagrated.

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by deSelys
If you want my 0.02 cents, I find it a bigger crime to bomb/destroy houses than religious buildings (if both are empty of people).

At the risk of setting off an I-Bomb (for ironic), "Amen!"

Seagoon, please elaborate why the homes (filled with the personal memories and possessions of people who have worked their lives to provide for their families) would be less worthy of note than Churches/Mosque/etcetcetc?

A church is nothing but a meeting place, but according to the various bibles for these religious, God is everywhere.

[Nilsen]

I don't care if churhes or mosques or whatever is blown away if housing is blown away too.

However I really like the idea of blowing up military buildings in a compound instead of a city. Would not ruin anything in the game but may actually make it abit more "realistic". New players would not find it odd at all and neither would excisting players i think. Good point with the Geneva convention too but then you need to get rid of the chute shooting too.

So basicly I agree with you Seagoon, just not for all of the same reasons.

[Vulcan]

One could deduce the issue of bombing churches would mean that said church is an "icon" of worship. Isn't that a sin under christiainity?

seagoon, blow up the church's dude to prove you're not a sinner

[XrightyX]

Consider it just a little friendly reminder about the ugliness of war...