Author Topic: OK... this tops it all, now it's Racial! (Read 2064 times)

Gunslinger · « **Reply #15 on:** September 03, 2005, 02:10:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
A lot of things went wrong and it may have been avoidable.

First, the Army Corp of Engineers has been asking for additional funds for DECADES. They knew New Orleans was at risk.

Two, the city knew that a hurricane could do this and yet there was no real evacuation plan.

As for the military moving slowly. Yeah... we've been there. Moving a few hundred or a few thousand men and machinary isn't something that happens overnight. I suspect that we're moving on New Orleans no slower than we moved on Thailand. The difference is the 100 choppers and news casters filling the airwaves with scenes of death and destruction. Oh... and the victims all speak english.

didn't the USACE have like 200 million $ over the last 2 decades to fix the problem and not do it.

IIRC this hurrican changed course at several times.

I think we would have saw what we are seeing today yesturday if thugs hadn't been shooting at helicopters and such.

Sandman · « **Reply #16 on:** September 03, 2005, 02:14:57 AM »

Compared to the level of devastation, a mere $10 Million per year seems criminal.

But Oboe got me wondering... is it really the federal government's fault for not properly defending a city that shouldn't have been built there in the first place?

When we talk about state's rights and responsibilties versus federal rights and responsibilities, how do we look at New Orleans?

Nash · « **Reply #17 on:** September 03, 2005, 02:19:25 AM »

So much to address.

When it comes to Race, if there were a bunch Connecticutians holed up in a god forsaken football dome whiping feces on the walls it would have been a done deal three days ago.

Boom! Airlift/airdrop done.

That whole talking point: "I'm not criticizing their choice not to leave, but they chose not to leave" is garbage.

In a hundred billion different ways so I aint even gonna touch that.

Sandman: "No. I think it was slow because we were unprepared."

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding.

Gunslinger: "All of those with magic eight balls that predicted this can say I told you so."

This has nothing to do with magic eight balls. This entire and exact eventuality has been war-gamed and played out to death. They knew this was gonna happen.

They did dick-all about it except to cut the funding to prevent it in favour of providing pork. Death and pork. Death or pork. Everyone loves bacon so you know how that fared.

Funding to the levy was halted for the first time in many years - everything was halted and slashed - and the people of New Orleans were fed to the dogs.

There is going to be hell to pay.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #18 on:** September 03, 2005, 02:30:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
So much to address.

When it comes to Race, if there were a bunch Connecticutians holed up in a god forsaken football dome whiping feces on the walls it would have been a done deal three days ago.

Boom! Airlift/airdrop done.

That whole talking point: "I'm not criticizing their choice not to leave, but they chose not to leave" is garbage.

In a hundred billion different ways so I aint even gonna touch that.

Sandman: "No. I think it was slow because we were unprepared."

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding.

Gunslinger: "All of those with magic eight balls that predicted this can say I told you so."

This has nothing to do with magic eight balls. This entire and exact eventuality has been war-gamed and played out to death. They knew this was gonna happen.

They did dick-all about it except to cut the funding to prevent it in favour of providing pork. Death and pork. Death or pork. Everyone loves bacon so you know how that fared.

Funding to the levy was halted for the first time in many years - everything was halted and slashed - and the people of New Orleans were fed to the dogs.

There is going to be hell to pay.

yes they knew it was going to happen and the LOCAL govt even had drills for it recently. The LOCAL govts have failed miserable.

Airdrop, airlifts....to where? where are you going to drop stuff, in the water? how are you going to air lift people out? how many sea planes do we have in the states?

Have you EVER been to NO? I have, there's not too many roads leading there. most of them go over water. For those that weren't sunk or destroyed there is only so much you can move over them. Before that you have to prioritize.

If the crime and shootings hadn't been goin on yesturday we'd have seen a whole lot more of what's goin on today.

MrCoffee · « **Reply #19 on:** September 03, 2005, 02:32:06 AM »

dont shoot at the helicopters. four days is a long time but I dont think its racism. Its just poor leadership, no planning for disaster. At least the aid is there now.

Nash · « **Reply #20 on:** September 03, 2005, 02:40:57 AM »

The guy in charge of the copters said that no copters were shot at.

Now:

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yes they knew it was going to happen and the LOCAL govt even had drills for it recently. The LOCAL govts have failed miserable.

Airdrop, airlifts....to where? where are you going to drop stuff, in the water? how are you going to air lift people out? how many sea planes do we have in the states?

Have you EVER been to NO? I have, there's not too many roads leading there. most of them go over water. For those that weren't sunk or destroyed there is only so much you can move over them. Before that you have to prioritize.

If the crime and shootings hadn't been goin on yesturday we'd have seen a whole lot more of what's goin on today.

Seems complicated when you put it like that, doesn't it? How about this? DON'T CUT THE LEVY MONEY.

Problem solved oops too late.

Xargos · « **Reply #21 on:** September 03, 2005, 03:00:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Oh... and the victims all speak english.

You call that english?

P.S. I blame the Dutch for 90% of our problems in North America for the past 300 years.

Hangtime · « **Reply #22 on:** September 03, 2005, 03:04:16 AM »

aye- yup.

beyatch.

Thrawn · « **Reply #23 on:** September 03, 2005, 03:48:24 AM »

Nash, your posts are getting so disjointed to be meaningless.

Vulcan · « **Reply #24 on:** September 03, 2005, 04:37:02 AM »

Opening up the racism can could let less a whole lot of worms, like classifying the rioters and looters, then compare the Asian tsunami rioting and looting with New Orleans. Then compare the relative poverty and education levels. Makes you scratch your head a bit.

Skydancer · « **Reply #25 on:** September 03, 2005, 04:46:36 AM »

Nash keep going mate. You will get told repeatedly you area fool by people with a political agenda, probably, or you will get moderated thats a given. But I for one think you make some valid points.

Trouble is all the cries to keep politics out of the discussion are just a bit political realy since they are aimed at protecting the current govt ie the republican party and Mr Bush from taking any responsibility for the shambolic response!

Its not political to say the govt has made a mess of things. Thats seems to be a done deal it would seem. Wouldn't matter which party or leader was in power realy.

Its political to say the republican party has made a mess of things.That is not helpfull or accurate.

Frankly it wouldn't matter who is in power. If they responded as slowly and shambolicaly they ought to be held to account whoever they are. National or local Govt.

Thank goodness some supplies are now getting through and people are getting out. Pity about all those who would have survived if things had been done quicker!!!

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #26 on:** September 03, 2005, 05:12:32 AM »

As a father or two, my heart broke watching those images with parents carrying limp, dehydrated small children.

They could have filled a clusterbomb with Trump Ice strapped in small parachutes and drop a few of those in the convention area. They could have strapped a rubber dingy under the supply container to make it float on water.

If there is a will, there are ways.

Mukiwa · « **Reply #27 on:** September 03, 2005, 05:29:22 AM »

pfft that's nothing, check this out

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/randall-robinson/new-orleans_b_6643.html

Please do not open if you suffer from high blood pressure, are not sitting down or have a nervous disposition.

bj229r · « **Reply #28 on:** September 03, 2005, 06:06:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
The guy in charge of the copters said that no copters were shot at.

As of yesterday evening, !@!#$ SNIPERS were holding a group of 100 firefighters and their families in a building, and a swat team/ Nat. Guard was being diverted from their other duties to rescue these people, some of whom were apparently already wounded. Aid workers can't be sent in without police escort--it has reached the point where volunteer doctors, etc are leaving--they are trying to HELP these $$holes, and get nothing but complaints and death threats in return. All the violence going on from these young thugs is slowing down an already-too-slow response. Was there anything like this in the North Carolina Hurricanes a couple years ago? No..was there anything like this in either of the South FLA hurricanes last year? No. Was there anything like this in Miami after Andrew? No. (Looting, yes.) All the news clips I saw, I dont think I saw anyone say 'thank-you'. Prolly just as mad about the hurricane coming at the first of the month and they couldn't cash their gov't checks---I lived around this crap for years, and its just not in me to have much sympathy for a lot of these people.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #29 on:** September 03, 2005, 06:10:58 AM »

In my opinnion, this conflict now brings into general knowledge what we as outsiders have been pointing out a long time.

Egocentrism and gaping differences in lifestyles within the country. Those who had it good had it so good that they closed their eyes from the misfortunate.

Judging from many of the articles, this is a wakeup call for many.