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Offline dedalos

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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2005, 03:38:11 PM »
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 To the guy with the bombs he's just helping "win".  There is no malice,  


That is where the problem really is.  Tell me you have a goon on the way and I will drop what I am doing to cover the goon, hit the city, protect the buffs (serten people calling us sellfish should remember how many times I helped them land) drop the VH, kill GVs, drag fighters away from the town/goon etc.  

The buff thats comming in to a fight without any hint of a goon being on the way, no one working the town, gvs everywhere etc and drops the FHs and leaves to look for the next dar bar is either retarded or wants to stop the fight.  Moreover, he does this for his personal sutisfuction (which is ok since he is paing his $15) and has no business calling other people selfish and bulies just because tehy stated that they did not like what he did.

PS (it seems that it needs to be said again.  Killing to cv to stop a capture or droping the FH,VH etc to assist in a capture, is really thinking about helping others and winning the war.  NO ONE IS COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT!)
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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2005, 03:58:42 PM »
999 is a class act. I have seen him up to defend a base many times even though it was "hopeless" He never whines about it he just does, what is needed.

I have never seen him dive bomb lancs or B24s. I find it hard to believe he would, do something gamey like that.  

lastly, I have a simple solution or piece of advice to the buff drivers. Do what I do start asking 15-20 miles out what needs to be hit. If you don't get an answer, pull up the clipboard map and see if the VH is up. Drop that and the town. If you do not get an answer  just assume as I do that the furball is raging and no help is wanted and there is not a push to take the base. but by dropping the VH you do not infringe on the fight.

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« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2005, 05:18:23 PM »
Just a few thoughts from a GVers Point of view.  

I read one post here that stated to not take out FHs, but rather VHs.  Let me see.  Which can kill an M-3 or Goon quicker.  An M-8 traveling at 60 mph?  Or an La-7 traveling at 300 to 400 mph?  Hummmm.  Tough one.  Cap the field you say?  Wish I had a dime forever time the cap was lost and fighters swarmed out.  If troops are reported close to the city, I am upping a fighter just as anyone else would.  Taking out FHs etc. for no reason falls into the same category as Porking Troops/Supplies and Ords 2 sectors back by only one fighter.  Or sending 5 F4Us or 5 P-47Ns out to pork an entire country.  Sound familiar?  Saw it two nights ago.

Dive bombing Buffs.  I have been out in a Panzer and had a set of Lancs make repeated passes dropping 4 to 5 bombs per pass to kill my Panzer.  On the 5th drop he finally took me out.  Fair?  Yes.  How the Buffs were intended to be used?  I think not.  And to the Buff pilot that has to use 42,000 lbs. of bombs to kill a Panzer?  You da Man.

999000 if you have never seen Buffs dive-bombing or doing an NOE drop, hang out at a GV base any night of the week.  You will see plenty of it.  I have seen buffs drop from so low that they kill themselves, and also seen them drop from lower than that with no damage at all.  Go figure.

As I recall, not sure from where, bombs have to travel 1000 ft before arming.  I foolishly thought that meant from an altitude of 1000 feet or greater above ground, not along it.  Skip bombing was done but these bombs don't skip.  And it was done VERY rarely.

I doubt anything will be done to correct this.  It is just like one winged Typhys dropping bombs.  Until HT makes a hard deck for buffs dropping ords, nothing will change.

Each side has its players that will use any advantage to kill without being killed.  That is what the Dive Bombing buffs do.  It is the best chance to kill without skill and not be killed.  Got 3 buffs.  If I drop 42,000 lbs. of bombs on this GV, I will get a kill and come home safe.  He might get one or two buffs, but I will get him and land the kill.  Same thing holds true for killing a building.  Some buff pilots can't hit the ground from above 1000 feet with a bomb, let alone a VH.  But at 300 feet and dropping a full load from 500 yards behind the VH to 500 yards beyond, they are bound to kill something.

It won't change unless HT makes it happen.  I just don't see it.  On the priority list, it doesn't even make the first 100 pages.

On the bright side, they sure are a lot easier to shot down.  :aok

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« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2005, 05:31:44 PM »
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I think the heart of the problem/issue/whatever is in a difference of opinion as to the point of the game.


Flying at 100 feet into a base or over a CV, only to die... Either from being blasted by ack, or by their own bomb blast.

What is the point in that?

There can be no valid point given to change my opinion... That it is just gay.
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« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2005, 05:37:16 PM »
I will give you that one Morph, I do find that sort of behavior rather annoying.
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« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2005, 10:38:53 PM »
Interesting that 1/3 of the responses is from one squad here the Bk's who are on the same team as the Rooks...

The most significant point I was making was not about  the duality of the game as it pertains to the land grabbers vs the
furballs.  nor did it really have anything to do with perspectives between the Rooks, Knights, and Bishops, and the good natured fights between them.

The issue for me is the "bulling" and degrading demonstrated by some who are on the Rooks to there fellow country men.
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« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2005, 11:10:37 PM »
ZZZZZZZZZZ

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« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2005, 11:14:43 PM »
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Just a few thoughts from a GVers Point of view.  

I read one post here that stated to not take out FHs, but rather VHs.  Let me see.  Which can kill an M-3 or Goon quicker.  An M-8 traveling at 60 mph?  Or an La-7 traveling at 300 to 400 mph?  Hummmm.  Tough one.  Cap the field you say?  Wish I had a dime forever time the cap was lost and fighters swarmed out.  If troops are reported close to the city, I am upping a fighter just as anyone else would.  Taking out FHs etc. for no reason falls into the same category as Porking Troops/Supplies and Ords 2 sectors back by only one fighter.  Or sending 5 F4Us or 5 P-47Ns out to pork an entire country.  Sound familiar?  Saw it two nights ago.

Dive bombing Buffs.  I have been out in a Panzer and had a set of Lancs make repeated passes dropping 4 to 5 bombs per pass to kill my Panzer.  On the 5th drop he finally took me out.  Fair?  Yes.  How the Buffs were intended to be used?  I think not.  And to the Buff pilot that has to use 42,000 lbs. of bombs to kill a Panzer?  You da Man.

999000 if you have never seen Buffs dive-bombing or doing an NOE drop, hang out at a GV base any night of the week.  You will see plenty of it.  I have seen buffs drop from so low that they kill themselves, and also seen them drop from lower than that with no damage at all.  Go figure.

As I recall, not sure from where, bombs have to travel 1000 ft before arming.  I foolishly thought that meant from an altitude of 1000 feet or greater above ground, not along it.  Skip bombing was done but these bombs don't skip.  And it was done VERY rarely.

I doubt anything will be done to correct this.  It is just like one winged Typhys dropping bombs.  Until HT makes a hard deck for buffs dropping ords, nothing will change.

Each side has its players that will use any advantage to kill without being killed.  That is what the Dive Bombing buffs do.  It is the best chance to kill without skill and not be killed.  Got 3 buffs.  If I drop 42,000 lbs. of bombs on this GV, I will get a kill and come home safe.  He might get one or two buffs, but I will get him and land the kill.  Same thing holds true for killing a building.  Some buff pilots can't hit the ground from above 1000 feet with a bomb, let alone a VH.  But at 300 feet and dropping a full load from 500 yards behind the VH to 500 yards beyond, they are bound to kill something.

It won't change unless HT makes it happen.  I just don't see it.  On the priority list, it doesn't even make the first 100 pages.

On the bright side, they sure are a lot easier to shot down.  :aok

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« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2005, 11:16:28 PM »
You really need to get over the "fellow countrymen" bit.

Im nobody. Im just a guy playing a game for me. For fun. To kill fkr's.
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« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2005, 01:24:21 AM »
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« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2005, 01:34:08 AM »
Okie dokie

This will be the 374th time I've said it.......

You want a game?  OR a Sim?

Funny how so many guys just pick the planes apart about realistic this and realistic that. Yet just hop in a bomber fly 100' feet off the deck and WAH-LA, carpet bomb-insta-death on GV's and hangers.

Because you're definately NOT going to stop them with any AA fire that is presently in the game, trust me, we've tried.

Even if you manage to damage or even take them out, it's usually too late and they've already released their .salvo 50 worth of bombs {even tho their wings are no longer attached}

People will play as they like I guess:huh

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« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2005, 01:55:37 AM »
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.....one squad here the Bk's ......
The issue for me is the "bulling" and degrading demonstrated by some who are on the Rooks to there fellow country men.
 


You see that is why you must leave the Darkside and come back to the Knights. I know there is good in you I can feel it.  :aok
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« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2005, 12:20:48 PM »
I dont often see a battle start with just fighters. Normally a couple guys say "Lets go bomb A35". Once they start, guys logging on look for the dar bars. Seeing enemy at A35 they fly there. The bombers return on another mission to continue bombing, and then are told by the fighter guys (who mostly come without ord) to kill the VH or stay out.

 If a guy wamts to fly to a base and bomb the FHs who are the other players to tell him he cant. That just makes me wanna bomb them even more. Usually if ripped on by a fellow player, I'll "go fishin", which is my phrase for dropping single 500lbers at the end of runway spawn points to kill spawning planes, over and over stealing the vulches from them. Im a stinka.

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« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2005, 01:35:25 PM »
Bombing is BROKE.  Its one of the few things HT has managed to make worse over the years.  Bombers have no real purpose in the MA.  There are so few legitimate targets that make any real difference to the game.  The only real targets for heavy bombers are the factories and such, and these have such a limited effect (theres an effect? ) that its worthless.  It takes forever to climb to altitude, so its pretty frustrating that it takes so long to get no real reward....and speaking of reward, now that we have taken bumbers into the push button laser guided age, there is NO CHALLENGE.

No Challenge

No reward

No point

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« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2005, 01:42:27 PM »
I always do strat cities (aa, radar, troops, etc) with bombers.  Anything else should be hit with Jabos, including towns.