Author Topic: good book... (Read 4330 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 11, 2005, 09:52:03 AM »

actually there are at least a dozen or more examples of atf abuses. Why do they wear ninja outfits and masks? who are they hiding their faces from? they aren't making raids on gangs or drug lords... they are raiding ordinary citizens.

now... suave... the review does have a few truthful parts to it but is heavily vitroholic. for instance... the author points out (rightly) that weaver was not a white supremist but a white seperatist... a huge difference... he shunned the white power group that lived near him. In the book I did not see one thing that was biggoted. Many jews were portrayed as heroic and sympathetic characters.

Int he book... many examples of government abuse are given... I could find no real fault with any of em. In waco for instance... he claims that helicopters fired m60's into the building and agents of the government machine gunned men women and children who were trying to escape... the academy award nominated documentary "rules of engagement" shows this to be at least probably true.

ATF has torn people houses and lives to pieces for years. Do you think that a person should get 5 years in prison for owning fender washers or a few dollars worth of metal?

if you want to read reviews..

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1888118040/qid=1126449532/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-2032441-9246530?v=glance&s=books

there is the amazon site for the book and the reviews by people who have actually read it.

I don't really expect people like raider to read it because they have too much invested in the opinion they have cultivated allready.

It is a well written book...

as for knowing atf people.... I know only two. They are robots sad to say. One is a son of a friend and is a very strange guy. The point is that hardly anyone knows these ninjas... they do not show themselves unless they are wearing masks. Why is that? They seem frieghtened of the very people they are claiming to protect... protect from what? If their cause was just and they wouldn't need to wear masks... the gun culture people are not gangs or huge illegal money makers... they are hobbiests harming no one.

Oh... at waco... only one agent was killed by a davidian... the rest all were shot by their buddies with "cop killer" bullets in the confusion. Also... the children recovered were said to be the most intellegent, well cared for and healthy kdds the head of Texas Child services had ever seen. No illegal weapons were found at the "compound" (church).

raider... if you want to read about ninja abuses the book has plenty... or go to the jews for the presevation of firearms site...

or... just bury your head in the sand.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #31 on:** September 11, 2005, 09:57:06 AM »

and suave... I guess the way to really answer you about the review is... read the book and find an incident of biggotry that you think the author condones or espouses... I couldn't. I think I have the ability to spot biggotry at least as well as anyone here and a lot better than the liberals here who seem to be biggots themselves.

I found none... if the reviewer got that part so wrong... you can imagine how tainted the other parts are of his review... read the amazon reviews... race never get's mentioned because it is a non issue in the book.

BTW... to be fair... where did you get the review you posted?

lazs

wrag · « **Reply #32 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:24:31 AM »

Hmmm...........

Been allot more then 2 incidents.

Only been 2 incidents that got allot of coverage in the MAJOR media. There have been many others, but the major media did not, or were told not to, cover the incidents. Why? perhaps the media did not consider it worth coverage?

For instance I see many reports of New Orleans law abiding citizen, I'm refering to the one that DIDN'T shoot at helos, being disarmed.
I'm refering to the ones that called for the law got no response, because the police had left, some had even quit, so they decided to defend themselves, their families and their property. Citizens that were camly and quietily defending their homes. And were NOT out hunting looters, or looting. Also the private security guards hired by the rich are NOT being disarmed. But I haven't seen the MAJOR media say much of anything about it.

If you surf the net and look specifically for certain things you will find them.

I don't trust every report I see. I try and look elsewhere for more info.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #33 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:28:54 AM »

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Like I said you are better off with a lawyer than a gun if you gonna fight the government.

Quoted for mistruth.

lazs2 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:33:40 AM »

but but.... no one is comeing after our guns?

wrag.. read the book. Tell us what you think. I get a little weary of raider and his ilks instant uninformed and predictable responses... I mean... they are/were funny but now it is like reading the same ayn rand novel's villian over and over.

lazs

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #35 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:35:27 AM »

I'd love to buy the book, but I'm going to try the local Barnes and Noble first.

Though in a huge college town, it'll be a miracle if it's there.

lazs2 · « **Reply #36 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:37:26 AM »

It won't be there but just for fun you should ask em to get it for you.

lazs

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #37 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:44:22 AM »

I think you'd find this BN funny Lazs. The history section is only one stack wide.

There is only one hunting magazine in the Magazine Racks. And the guy who's holding up the WhiteTail's rack looks sorry.

No firearms magazines, though they do sell Shotgun News.

Though I do have to admit, they have a Bartending Section. Not a bunch of books in cooking together about bartending. I mean they have a Bartending Stack. I guess that's what you get for living in a college town.

lazs2 · « **Reply #38 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:49:37 AM »

I live next to the peoples republic of Davis...

It is weird to go there.... everyone seems so serious and angry and.... they seem to be watching you.... ever ready to dissaprove. Looking for you to violate some law or another... I actually think that if I lit a cig up 19' from a building (I don't smoke) there would be twenty people all playing smoke police and...

It would be the highlight of their day... It is an Ayn Rand novel come to life.

lazs

wrag · « **Reply #39 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:13:42 AM »

Bet you won't find any of these there either............

http://www.javelinpress.com/

Raider179 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:28:02 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
actually there are at least a dozen or more examples of atf abuses. Why do they wear ninja outfits and masks? who are they hiding their faces from? they aren't making raids on gangs or drug lords... they are raiding ordinary citizens.

now... suave... the review does have a few truthful parts to it but is heavily vitroholic. for instance... the author points out (rightly) that weaver was not a white supremist but a white seperatist... a huge difference... he shunned the white power group that lived near him. In the book I did not see one thing that was biggoted. Many jews were portrayed as heroic and sympathetic characters.

Int he book... many examples of government abuse are given... I could find no real fault with any of em. In waco for instance... he claims that helicopters fired m60's into the building and agents of the government machine gunned men women and children who were trying to escape... the academy award nominated documentary "rules of engagement" shows this to be at least probably true.

ATF has torn people houses and lives to pieces for years. Do you think that a person should get 5 years in prison for owning fender washers or a few dollars worth of metal?

if you want to read reviews..

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1888118040/qid=1126449532/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-2032441-9246530?v=glance&s=books

there is the amazon site for the book and the reviews by people who have actually read it.

I don't really expect people like raider to read it because they have too much invested in the opinion they have cultivated allready.

It is a well written book...

as for knowing atf people.... I know only two. They are robots sad to say. One is a son of a friend and is a very strange guy. The point is that hardly anyone knows these ninjas... they do not show themselves unless they are wearing masks. Why is that? They seem frieghtened of the very people they are claiming to protect... protect from what? If their cause was just and they wouldn't need to wear masks... the gun culture people are not gangs or huge illegal money makers... they are hobbiests harming no one.

Oh... at waco... only one agent was killed by a davidian... the rest all were shot by their buddies with "cop killer" bullets in the confusion. Also... the children recovered were said to be the most intellegent, well cared for and healthy kdds the head of Texas Child services had ever seen. No illegal weapons were found at the "compound" (church).

raider... if you want to read about ninja abuses the book has plenty... or go to the jews for the presevation of firearms site...

or... just bury your head in the sand.

lazs

Why don't you bury your own head in the sand. You seem so scared of the ATF.

1)ATF and Federal Agents wear masks because the Frequently go UNDERCOVER! Is that really that hard a concept for you to grasp? You spend have your post calling them ninja's and asking why they do it. IT's simple to protect their identity in undercover operations.

2)As for Waco, I have no care in the world for those people except for the children who were forced into that position by their parents. The rest were extreme cultists who were stockpiling weapons for "Armageddon". Who knows what they would have done if the US government hadn't gotten to them. Also, if you have the full might of the US government outside your door, telling you to come outside, You better come out, otherwise tragedy might befall you. I have no respect for people that do not obey the law. Especially with as blatant defiance as those in Waco. Peaceful demostrations or non-violent protests excluded.

3) Let's be honest about the "fender washers and metal". Let me guess, Silencers?

4)I wouldn't read it because it advocates the killing of Federal Agents and Elected Officials. But that is what seperates me from an anarchist like you.

5)This is a common tactic. "Only 1 was killed". How many of them were shot but survived? How many went through months of pain and rehabs? Just because you shoot someone and they don't die doesnt mean that statistic doesnt matter. Its called attempted murder.

6)It's hilarious to hear you tell me to bury my head in the sand. You are so scared of the ATF and government I bet you bury your entire body under there out of fear they are gonna come get your guns. It's funny though, the more I hear you espouse your views, the more I Think maybe they should take your guns. Your an extremist who quotes the Constitution when he see's fit and ignores it when it doesnt go along with your belief that guns solve all problems. IF guns for everyone solves crime than why havent all the police started a program to arm everyone?

Enjoy your book but you should remember those same Agents that are advocated being killed in that book are the same ones who will lay their life down to protect you. A few bad apples shouldnt ruin it for all of them. Isn't that what you always say about gun owners?

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:34:20 AM »

Raider, do you realize how contradictory you are?

Please, reread your own post there. If you can't pick it out, I suggest you pick another college to go to. The one you are at right now is teaching you nothing.

Raider179 · « **Reply #42 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:39:34 AM »

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Originally posted by wrag
Hmmm...........

Been allot more then 2 incidents.

Only been 2 incidents that got allot of coverage in the MAJOR media. There have been many others, but the major media did not, or were told not to, cover the incidents. Why? perhaps the media did not consider it worth coverage?

For instance I see many reports of New Orleans law abiding citizen, I'm refering to the one that DIDN'T shoot at helos, being disarmed.
I'm refering to the ones that called for the law got no response, because the police had left, some had even quit, so they decided to defend themselves, their families and their property. Citizens that were camly and quietily defending their homes. And were NOT out hunting looters, or looting. Also the private security guards hired by the rich are NOT being disarmed. But I haven't seen the MAJOR media say much of anything about it.

If you surf the net and look specifically for certain things you will find them.

I don't trust every report I see. I try and look elsewhere for more info.

Please list any systemic incidents you know of? I know there are gonna be some isolated incidents out there but no where near the level that the Paranoid gun nuts seem to think.

As for the media not covering stuff, give me a break.

Regarding New Orleans, Have you ever heard of marital law? You do understand that under it, rights can be suspended. That is American law and there is nothing illegal about it.

I think some of you forget that these Government agents in NO that are disarming people, have families too. They want to go back to their wives, kids, and loved ones after this is all over. They are playing it safe and I think you should respect that. Instead of labeling them ninja's. That is ignorant and disrespectful.

Raider179 · « **Reply #43 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:41:46 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Quoted for mistruth.

Ok only person who won against the government with a gun was Randy Weaver and His wife had to die. Not quite a victory in my mind. Now go look at lawsuits and see how many times people have gotten policies changed or overturned.

Raider179 · « **Reply #44 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:42:54 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
but but.... no one is comeing after our guns?

wrag.. read the book. Tell us what you think. I get a little weary of raider and his ilks instant uninformed and predictable responses... I mean... they are/were funny but now it is like reading the same ayn rand novel's villian over and over.

lazs

My responses are predictable because they are rational. You can't grasp that because you are not a rational person.