Originally posted by Kweassa 
Naw.. the newbies really should start out from 190s, and then move over to other planes. 
 People who start out with Nikis, Spits, and 109F-4s become too lazy!  
 
 Here is the kill list for tour 68, as of about 12 PM Alaska time 19th of Sept
109F4  2,156 Kills  1,782 deaths
Spit V  9,453 kills   10,849 deaths
Spit 9 9,513 kills,  9,194 deaths
LA7  17,592 kills   14,788 deaths
Ki-84  4,228 kills  3,277 deaths
NIK2  13,405 kills   12,231 deaths
I am not sure the 109F4 makes you lazy.  It is a great little plane in the hand of a good pilot (as are most planes) but it is hardly a newbie plane IMHO.   I can do much better in a 190D9 on K/D than a 109F4.  
I think that one of the best none perk rides, that will get you into the fight, and help you crawl out alive is the 190D9.  But the 109F4 can be a lot of fun to fly and can be a real scrapper in a knife fight.  I like it because it is more challenging than a Dora.
I real life my ride of choice in the non-perkies would be the PonyD.