raider179 was right...

[Iceman24]

seat belt law is nothing more than a money maker for the police departments / local government. If I can ride in the back of a pickup truck without any type of safety harness legally, why do I have to where 1 in the front. Police also use this as a good reason to pull you over and look for drunks driving or search for drugs / weapons. But if I don't have to ride a helmet on a motorcycle, why should I have to wear a seatbelt in a car, heck I have to have a helmet to ride a bicycle. The reason there is no helmet / motorcycle law is because the insurance company's got together and found it was way cheaper for them if motorycle wreck victims died intead of living as vegetables. They figured its cheaper if you just die, then them having to pay for all your medical bills in a really bad wreck, you can look that up because its true,  so don't tell me that the government or anybody else is interested in my well being because that's total crap.

There was an article last week in my local newspaper that was talking about a lady that got a seatbelt ticket because she was too fat to get the seatbelt around her, it wouldn't fit...The police wouldn't let her drive off in it, and her husband ended up having to go get the car out of inpound and he's been on tv griping for the past week... My thoughts on this were that her wearing a seatbelt should be one of the last things on her mind, she has more important health issues to think about. Also you should have seen the way the police handled this, just trying to get a huge story started, they were all over my local news and everything. Don't police have anything better to do, I know they get bored but don't they have minority's beat or something better to do lol

[Iceman24]

Why not require helmets in cars.... race car drivers use em... they would be a good idea

just like the great comedian George Carlin said once, " pretty soon we're gonna have to where a helmet to J/O"

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Iceman24
a lady that got a seatbelt ticket because she was too fat to get the seatbelt around her

[Iceman24]

for once beet1e we agree on somthing lol
I thought that was pretty funny too, thats what caught my eye and made me read about it in the paper lol

[lazs2]

sixpense... what effect does my not wearing a seatbelt have on others?    I have insurance enough to cover any eventuality.. If it is seeing my dead body that offends you then you really need to toughen up or never leave the house.... little kids getting run over (I have seen that several times) on their bikes is ten times worse than seein an adult killed in a car wreck..

You really have no case except that you may say that it costs less because less people are injured.... Oh??  

So tell me... since the seatbelt and helmet laws came into effect.... how much has everyones car and health insurance gone DOWN.... A huge amount right?  certainly enough to justify your prissy busybody laws right?

lazs

[Iceman24]

hey Laz I don't think cars or autos as Beet1e would call them go fast enough in his country to actually cause a serious accident lol j/k

[Shaky]

Originally posted by lazs2
again... hang nails it.... rescue workers and police fire etc... their job is to clean up...  dead people are a drag to take care of and sometimes they are messy

Actually, being a Paramedic for 20 years, most of that in a major urban Fire Dept, I can say with authority that dead people are very easy to take care of.

Its the live ones that will be dead soon that are a *****.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by lazs2
sixpense... what effect does my not wearing a seatbelt have on others?    I have insurance enough to cover any eventuality.

It drives up my insurance rates, not just yours, and costs me tax dollars. http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/seat_belts.html

"On average, inpatient hospital care costs for an unbelted crash victim are 50 percent higher than those for a belted crash victim. Society bears 85 percent of those costs, not the individuals involved. Every American pays about $580 a year toward the cost of crashes. If everyone buckled up, this figure would drop significantly."

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/airbags/buasbteens03/#16

"Conversely, safety belt nonuse results in significant economic costs to society. The needless deaths and injuries from safety belt nonuse account for an estimated $26 billion in economic costs to society annually.16 The cost goes beyond the lost lives of unbuckled drivers and passengers: We all pay - in higher taxes and higher health care and insurance costs."

So why should I pay for others stupidity?

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Iceman24
hey Laz I don't think cars or autos as Beet1e would call them go fast enough in his country to actually cause a serious accident lol j/k

ROFL! Well, my old Beet1e sounded strained at 60mph; it was happier at 50!

Well surely even Lazs, as stubborn as he is, cannot argue against sixpences post here.  ^

What I want to know is... what good reason is there NOT to wear a seatbelt in a car? I can't think of one.

The only thing I can think of is that macho men who fancy themselves as ace drivers feel that their image is being tarnished by wearing a seatbelt.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by beet1e
macho men  

Macho men: Old tribal term used to describe those who do not spar with women.
Usualy well accepted and adored by the female of the species and feared by the effiminate male.

[lazs2]

Ok sixpense... now that everyone complies.... All our insurance for both health and vehicle has gone DOWN  what?  50%

All you guys notice the 50% savings in rates that he is talking about?  and.... If it really bothers you... I am willing to tell the insurance company that I don't wear seatbelts half the time and they can raise my rates accordingly...

I am willing to pay for my freedom.   I am willing to pay for peoples freedom to ride motorcycles and jog and ride bikes and hike and mountain climb or take showers or have a two story house or eat meat or smoke pot or do heroin or whatever... money should not have anything to do with it.

Does everyone recall that when seatbelts started becomeing common and insurance companies gave you a slight reduction in rate if you said you used em?   they haven't lowered rates since then.

I am not argueing with his figures at all.... just anyones right to restrict freedom based on getting a better group rate.

And... it has nothing to do with "image"  it has to do with choice.  I wore 5 place harnesses in race cars enough...

Wouldn't it save us all money if we had helmets and nomex firesuits in cars... bet I could give you numbers that showed at least a 50% reduction in head injuries and burns...  

lazs

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by lazs2
money should not have anything to do with it.

Well, when you find that utopia, plz tell me where it is. But for now, I have to live in the real world. Again, the apples to oranges comparisons. You talk as if driving is your given right, and it's not, it is a privilege, and all that is asked is you wear your seat belt, and this is denying your freedoms?

You have to wear a safety harness when you go on a ride at an amusement park, is this denying your freedoms too?

[Toad]

Originally posted by beet1e
What I want to know is... what good reason is there NOT to wear a seatbelt in a car? I can't think of one.

The only thing I can think of is that macho men who fancy themselves as ace drivers feel that their image is being tarnished by wearing a seatbelt.

Which isn't the point at all, of course.

The point is that people should be given the freedom to do as they wish, not nannied and nagged constantly by big government telling them what is "good" for them.

The seatbelt issue is the same as the motor cycle helmet issue.

I think it's outright stupid not to use them all the time.

However, I also think that if someone wants to be outright stupid and it's not going to harm the rest of us, then it is that someone's RIGHT to be stupid.

If someone chooses not to wear a helmet, loses control of his bike in a graveled turn and goes head on into a hard object... well, he knew the risk up front, made the decision to take the risk and got called to account by the great oddsmaker in the sky.

Not my business or my government's business. It's the rider's business and that's the only person that should be involved in the decision process.

It's that freedom thing.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Sixpence
You talk as if driving is your given right, and it's not, it is a privilege
 

  Well Golly gee whilikers Mr. Wilson, who is this generous "privilege" bestowed on us by?
  I always just assumed since the labor of our country builds the autos that it was a given right. Silly me. A privilege my aching butt.
  Most of us are not big into sitting around waiting for government to tell us what we can and cannot do. You see, we are suppsed to be the voice of the government, not the other way around.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Well Golly gee whilikers Mr. Wilson, who is this generous "privilege" bestowed on us by?
  I always just assumed since the labor of our country builds the autos that it was a given right. Silly me. A privilege my aching butt.
  Most of us are not big into sitting around waiting for government to tell us what we can and cannot do. You see, we are suppsed to be the voice of the government, not the other way around.

well, hey then, screw law and order and let's just all do what we want!