P51D Skin request. 4th FG for Fencer51

[Guppy35]

He's jumped in to help the skinners cause and is a cyber 51 jockey from way back.  

And it amazes me we have no 4th FG marked P51Ds.  4th and 51s go hand in hand.  Gotta have one.

Kinda like this one too

I can provide B&W photos of the real bird if folks need it.  I kinda figure with the nose art and the profile it should be a breeze and a nice red nosed 51D would look good in the virtual skies

[Fencer51]

Thanks Guppy, I sure appreciate this.

Thats a nice P-51D.  There are numerous ones out there obviously.  Another great one that would be easy (well for others) to do is "Red Dog XII".  This is one sweet looking plane.



In color from Mustangsmustangs.com



Another good one is James Goodson's 413303 VF-B



And in color profile,



Another good one is,



I have good pictures of the current Mustang painted in Liz's colors.

Of course there is always Pierce McKinnon's WD-A RidgeRunner III.  Everyone has seen that plane somewhere!


BTW Guppy,  a friend of mine's Dad was in the 475th FG.  He was ground crew and was in the same squadron as "Putt Putt Maru".

Cheers

[MachNix]

I had done "Jersey Bounce III" but it never made it into the game.  If you two are willing to do the hard part – the research and deciding which scheme to do – I can put it together for you.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Fencer51
Thanks Guppy, I sure appreciate this.


BTW Guppy,  a friend of mine's Dad was in the 475th FG.  He was ground crew and was in the same squadron as "Putt Putt Maru".

Cheers

Umm...er.... does Dad have any photos of any of the 475th birds lying around?

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by MachNix


I had done "Jersey Bounce III" but it never made it into the game.  If you two are willing to do the hard part – the research and deciding which scheme to do – I can put it together for you.

The profile of James Goodson's VF-B is wrong in that it has the Blue rudder.  Goodson went down in VF-B to become a POW long before the 4th had rudder colors.

To be honest, I kinda like Iron Ass.  Kinda fits for most of us in AH since we're always getting shot in the backside

The red outlined letters on the QP kites looks good too, so my second choice would be Red Dog

[Fencer51]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Umm...er.... does Dad have any photos of any of the 475th birds lying around?

Dunno.

[Fencer51]

Originally posted by Guppy35
The profile of James Goodson's VF-B is wrong in that it has the Blue rudder.  Goodson went down in VF-B to become a POW long before the 4th had rudder colors.

To be honest, I kinda like Iron Ass.  Kinda fits for most of us in AH since we're always getting shot in the backside

The red outlined letters on the QP kites looks good too, so my second choice would be Red Dog

I have a Harley Copic print in my office at work of Goodson's 51D.  It does not have the blue rudder.  However, how do you explain the different shade of grey in the b+w photo?

My vote would be for Red Dog XII.

I have asked my friend to see if his father has any photos.  I should know more next week.  I can probabally swing getting the photos and making copies of any that he has, the fact that my wife is a curator and I am a history nut, my friend knows that they would be treated very carefully.

Cheers

[Fencer51]

Originally posted by MachNix


I had done "Jersey Bounce III" but it never made it into the game.  If you two are willing to do the hard part – the research and deciding which scheme to do – I can put it together for you.

Thanks MachNix.  I sure appreciate it.  I would ask that you do Red Dog XII.  That's my favorite of the ones above.

Never heard of Jersey Bounce III.  Who flew that?

I have looked into playing around with skinning, but the process is alluding me.  I found some nice templates in PSD but I am not sure that they are current for the new 3d models, if I understand everything correctly.  How do I tell if a plane has been remade and is current and not set to undergo changes?

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Fencer51
I have a Harley Copic print in my office at work of Goodson's 51D.  It does not have the blue rudder.  However, how do you explain the different shade of grey in the b+w photo?

My vote would be for Red Dog XII.

I have asked my friend to see if his father has any photos.  I should know more next week.  I can probabally swing getting the photos and making copies of any that he has, the fact that my wife is a curator and I am a history nut, my friend knows that they would be treated very carefully.

Cheers

The 4th FG 51 Jockey wants Red Dog XII, then Red Dog XII it should be

As for Goodson's rudder.  The rudder on natural metal 51s was painted while the fuselage was not so it looks different.  Throw in just a little angle on it and the sun reflection made the difference show even more I'd guess.

And many thanks for checking on those photos.  Gold I tell ya, gold!

Harold Fredericks was the pilot of Jersey Bounce.  Crew Chief was Frank Mason

[Lord ReDhAwK]

Salute Gents,

Heya MachNix.  If you will do Red Dog XII, I will jump on Iron bellybutton (lol).  I love the scheme and it meets the red criteria I was wanting to do (someone private messaged me to ask to do the 51B racer guppy set me up with, so my schedule is pretty much clear.)  I can start on her this week.  

Guppy, I will take any photos or art you have of it sir.  You can link me, pm me, e-mail me, telegraph me, or just throw rocks

satyr@"NOSPAM"bbde.net

ReDhAwK

[MachNix]

ReDhAwK,

I have started "Red Dog XII" so feel free to do "Iron Ass."

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Side Note:  I had "Jersey Bounce III" flown by Lt. Donald J. Pierini.  The aircraft was later taken over by Lt. Benjamin L. Griffin and the name changed to "Marion."  The aircraft was then lost April 16, 1945.

[Guppy35]

Redhawk,

You can go here:

http://www.mustangsmustangs.net/p-51/survivors/pages/44-74494.shtml

It's a restored 51 in the Iron bellybutton markings.

The close up I posted of the nose art should help along with the profile.

I'll dig out what B&W photos I can find and post em too.

[Lord ReDhAwK]

Rgr gents.  I have started vectoring the nose art.  Should be done with that by tonight or Wed night.  I'll take any and all pics Lord Guppy.  I appreciate your time sir.

ReDhAwK

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Lord ReDhAwK
Rgr gents.  I have started vectoring the nose art.  Should be done with that by tonight or Wed night.  I'll take any and all pics Lord Guppy.  I appreciate your time sir.

ReDhAwK

Thought I had more then just this one image of Iron Ass.

Important to note from the photo compared to the restored 51.  The real deal had black ID bands on the wings and horizontal tail.

Also note the image was taken before nose art artist Don Allen had finished the artwork.  The close up I posted of the nose art was done by Allen in 1995 when he replicated some of the best he 'd done while with the 4th FG

Note on the scan that Allen has signed it and noted 45 and 95

[Lord ReDhAwK]

Rgr Dan.  Great pic to work from.  

Question for those looking at this...The original black and white doesnt have the pic of the bellybutton with the bullets bouncing off, only the wording.  Should I just use the wording or do the completed noseart?  

Guppy, anything showing the completed noseart as historic?  I would hate for them to not accept it for the game because I had made an assumption it was completed, when in actuality it came much later after the war  

Then again, maybe I misread your writing as to when the donkey was added.

Regards

ReDhAwK