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« Reply #60 on: October 02, 2005, 02:22:11 AM »
Dago...

Information isn't that hard to assemble.

If you're trying to say that there's only a choice between faulty news and no news... well that's incredible.

What does your laziness leave you with?

"...you will understand why I feel I cant judge really how the war is going from my vantage point in the USA. - Dago"

You sit there trying to tell me that while your country is at war, you are (mistakenly) unable to understand a single thing about it?

Just pretending that what you're saying is true - that would be fine with you?

Your laziness/avoidance is what it is....Okay fine.  But trust me.... you paint a grizzly picture of your country when you try to pawn off your laziness/avoidance on the fact that while your country is at war, you're not able to find out what is going on. I'd be far more outraged at that than anything that might be going on in Iraq.

Thank god it aint true. It's just your laziness/avoidance.

This is awesome. Willful ignorance excused as "they don't tell us nothing" peddled as "don't criticize because we don't know."

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« Reply #61 on: October 02, 2005, 02:24:16 AM »
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depends on where you live I guess.

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Believe what you want, but there are fundamental christian reasons for supporting Israel. Can't have the rapture without the state of Israel. It's a biblical thing... I'm sure you'll look it up.
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« Reply #62 on: October 02, 2005, 09:46:30 AM »
well... we probly aren't making as much progress as we thought we would have...

we are getting some really good troop training in a meanigful environment and..  since terrorists are so mobile these days...

We have rid the world of maybe 50-100,000,000 hard core psycopath ultra violent multi national fanatics.   More every day... they come to die and we oblidge em... it matters not what the name of the killing ground is in my opinion.

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« Reply #63 on: October 02, 2005, 10:07:33 AM »
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Dago...

Information isn't that hard to assemble.

If you're trying to say that there's only a choice between faulty news and no news... well that's incredible.

What does your laziness leave you with?

"...you will understand why I feel I cant judge really how the war is going from my vantage point in the USA. - Dago"

You sit there trying to tell me that while your country is at war, you are (mistakenly) unable to understand a single thing about it?

Just pretending that what you're saying is true - that would be fine with you?

Your laziness/avoidance is what it is....Okay fine.  But trust me.... you paint a grizzly picture of your country when you try to pawn off your laziness/avoidance on the fact that while your country is at war, you're not able to find out what is going on. I'd be far more outraged at that than anything that might be going on in Iraq.

Thank god it aint true. It's just your laziness/avoidance.

This is awesome. Willful ignorance excused as "they don't tell us nothing" peddled as "don't criticize because we don't know."


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« Reply #64 on: October 02, 2005, 10:16:16 AM »
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« Reply #65 on: October 02, 2005, 10:18:50 AM »
still trying to figure out how it is all a "failure"

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« Reply #66 on: October 02, 2005, 10:29:35 AM »
See Rule #4 (I prefer my bacon smoked, flat, and slightly crisp. Don't insult me again, I was on vacation until today)
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« Reply #67 on: October 02, 2005, 10:32:18 AM »
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I am kind of curious on what knowledge source you base those statements?

Just curious, but are you over there, been over there, or have anyone close to you over there telling you what is going on, feeding you a complete picture?  I dont know your background, maybe you are a military guy, I dont know.

I am only asking because I have nothing much more to go on than the slanted, incomplete picture that CNN and that ilk is providing, and I dont trust them.  Read a book written by any quality war coorespondant and you will quickly realize how crappy most war coverage is, and how little the "reporters" actually bother to learn.

Then, toss in the liberal bias that too often slants a story or paints a very incomplete one, both at the reporter level, then in the network offices, and you will understand why I feel I cant judge really how the war is going from my vantage point in the USA.

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Hi Dago.. the Mission Lost.. the Message is Lost statement derives around the way we currently conduct the misson deployments.. walking patrols are just targets. Roving mech patrols are targets. Putting our kids in the line of fire to simply draw fire or triiger IED's is assinine.

The message lost dervies around the methods used to get in there to begin with. Like everybody else I believed the WMD ploy. Since then we've found that the suff is no longer in accountable hands.. we let it get away. Now, from the perspective of our average citizen and in the eyes of the world we are did an invasion on false pretenses. Wrong message.. hence 'message is lost'.

I favor an all-out approach to war fighting.. playing the 'occupier' in a hostile nation is not a winnable situation. On that basis I have some personal experience from a time and place where such polices failed the men asked to do the same job in pretty much the same way.

Lastly, reagrding the situtaion on the ground in Iraq these are just my opinions, not backed by anything other than what I see with my wide flat bellybutton glued to the couch watching what the media and the governemnt will let me see on the babble boxes.
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« Reply #68 on: October 02, 2005, 10:43:27 AM »
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still trying to figure out how it is all a "failure"

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It's not a failure.

Hey Sandman................ Honest question because I'm just curious.
What is it that makes you so critical about Isreal? If it's the religous aspects I understand.  As a Chrisitan , I believe that if the Isrealis are Gods chosen people.  God will ultimately call the shots on their future. Theres nothing we can do to change it.

I'm not trying to hijack. I just want to know is it Isreal or Americas support of Isreal you seem to dislike. Or maybe I should ask what is it about Isreal that you see as wrong?

Again I'm asking for your opinon. Because personally I don't se them as threat to anybody , unless of course you attack them.

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« Reply #69 on: October 02, 2005, 10:52:17 AM »
Hiya Shifty.. possibly one of the few places I find Americans truly blinded by propaganda is in regards to Israel.

Here's a few things to check out, draw your own conclusions. Google searches will do pretty well.

USS Liberty

Dollar Amount Official Aid.. (for a 1st world country?)

History of and Policy of Sales to unfriendly powers of OUR technology.

Presence and activity of Espionage within our borders.

No Extradition agreement.

There's more.. but this should suffice for starters.

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« Reply #70 on: October 02, 2005, 11:11:58 AM »
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« Reply #71 on: October 02, 2005, 11:43:00 AM »
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Hiya Shifty.. possibly one of the few places I find Americans truly blinded by propaganda is in regards to Israel.

Here's a few things to check out, draw your own conclusions. Google searches will do pretty well.

USS Liberty

Dollar Amount Official Aid.. (for a 1st world country?)

History of and Policy of Sales to unfriendly powers of OUR technology.

Presence and activity of Espionage within our borders.

No Extradition agreement.

There's more.. but this should suffice for starters.



Thanks Hangtime

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« Reply #72 on: October 02, 2005, 11:54:40 AM »
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It's not a failure.

Hey Sandman................ Honest question because I'm just curious.
What is it that makes you so critical about Isreal? If it's the religous aspects I understand.  As a Chrisitan , I believe that if the Isrealis are Gods chosen people.  God will ultimately call the shots on their future. Theres nothing we can do to change it.

I'm not trying to hijack. I just want to know is it Isreal or Americas support of Isreal you seem to dislike. Or maybe I should ask what is it about Isreal that you see as wrong?

Again I'm asking for your opinon. Because personally I don't se them as threat to anybody , unless of course you attack them.


I'm not a christian, so I don't view Israel through that filter.

I think our invasion of Iraq had little to do with oil and a lot to do with Israel. They are the country that gains the most benefit from the removal of Hussein.

You know what really annoys me about Israel? Espionage operations in this country from a supposed ally.
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« Reply #73 on: October 02, 2005, 02:06:44 PM »
Understood Sandy.

Actually the espionage suprises me as one of the things that people dislike Isreal over. I believe everyone is probably spying on everyone. Thanks for your answer.

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« Reply #74 on: October 02, 2005, 02:45:56 PM »
Compare and constrast with British or Canadian espionage in this country.
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