Author Topic: and the unions squeeeeell... (Read 1819 times)

lazs2 · « **on:** October 09, 2005, 10:50:12 AM »

Prop 75 here in kalifornia for november.

It basicaly says that unions have to get written permission from all of their members every year in order to spend said members dues on political contributions.

This is of course making the teachers and firefighters and other unions and especially democrats.... hopping mad.... the idea! to actually offer people a choice! this is allmost as crazy as vouchers!

the idiots that pay dues don't have the brains to know what is good for them.... Offer those idiots a choice on how or on who they support?

course... if you think the union is doing a good jog and you agree with the "list-0-commies" that they trot out every election cycle then you merely need to check the box that says "yes, I am too stupid to know who to support and would like to continue allowing my comrades in the plitiburo to spend my money."

lazs

Gunslinger · « **Reply #1 on:** October 09, 2005, 10:54:05 AM »

What's worse is the opposition commercials to these propositions. They make it sound like Arnie is taking candy from children and while he's at it he's smashing their piggy banks and will give them nightmares for the rest of their lives.

I also like the one that says independent judges NOT the politicians will decide districting lines

lazs2 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 09, 2005, 10:59:50 AM »

yep... arnie is talking about and airing stuff that the socialists don't really want people to think about.... which is just about everything they have their wet little milky white hands on.

Since mostly women watch the commercials tho... I imagine that they are simply talking to the choir.

lazs

oboe · « **Reply #3 on:** October 09, 2005, 10:49:43 PM »

Laz,

Is it true you don't pay for your own gas - that the county buys yours for you?

And, what year is your El Camino? I think I saw a '70 today-- very, very sharp. Two big fat white racing stripes on the hood. Prolly a 396 in it?

lazs2 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 10, 2005, 08:37:03 AM »

oboe... the citizens taxed on their sewer and water bill pay for my gas in my work car that I can not use for personal reasons. I am on call most of the time tho so put about 12k a year on the vehicles. The option would be for me to get a car allowance and do that but since I put so many miles on it would not be practical.

My car is a 69.. it is a 468 6 speed. My other car is an Austin Healey with a 331 and 4 speed... my other car is a Lincoln Town car with a baby seat in the back. I also own an old BMW bike. I also buy gas for my girlfriends car about every week when she comes to see me.

What is your point?

lazs

oboe · « **Reply #5 on:** October 10, 2005, 10:01:17 AM »

Two points, really. One, is every time you get on your high horse about the evils of socialism I feel the need to point out that you are biting the hand that feeds you. Some people may view it as hypocrisy on your part. How did you swing a gas allowance/reimbursement bene? What a nice deal that is for you! What if the county proposes an increase in taxes to help defray the recent, drastic increased cost in gas? Would you favor such an increase?

Second, the '69 El Camino is one of the most beautiful vehicles ever made, IMO. The lines just look so...right.

Do you remember the Ford Ranchero? I think the body/cab was based on the LTD. Just didn't have the pleasing lines of the Elky. By the mid to late 70s though, El Caminos were looking pretty plain.

J_A_B · « **Reply #6 on:** October 10, 2005, 10:34:46 AM »

It's a shame that most of the unions have become corrupt to the point of making themselves irrevelant.

J_A_B

mora · « **Reply #7 on:** October 10, 2005, 10:51:27 AM »

I would not join an union that would make political contributions. But why do you need a law for it? People have the choice to join an union or not, and it's their personal responsibility to acquire the information how the union uses it's assets.

J_A_B · « **Reply #8 on:** October 10, 2005, 10:57:59 AM »

"People have the choice to join an union or not"

Not always. In some cases you either join, or find a new career. That's a "choice" only in the most literal sense of the word.

J_A_B

oboe · « **Reply #9 on:** October 10, 2005, 11:07:10 AM »

A lot of companies make political contributions as well. Would you quit your job if the company contributes to a party you don't like? Worse, many companies contribute to BOTH sides in the U.S. I don't know what the answer is but I heard in Texas they have a law prohibiting corporations from making political donations. And that is supposedly how Tom Delay broke the law, by laundering this type of money.

I don't know if most unions are corrupt to the point of irrelevancy, but it seems to me we've gone round on this before. I think Toad's wisdom is succinct and apt here - the only thing worse than a union is NO union.

mietla · « **Reply #10 on:** October 10, 2005, 11:49:26 AM »

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Originally posted by oboe
A lot of companies make political contributions as well.

But they use their money.

Unions force members to contribute from their own paychecks.

A fundamental difference.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #11 on:** October 10, 2005, 11:54:16 AM »

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Originally posted by oboe
A lot of companies make political contributions as well. Would you quit your job if the company contributes to a party you don't like? Worse, many companies contribute to BOTH sides in the U.S. I don't know what the answer is but I heard in Texas they have a law prohibiting corporations from making political donations. And that is supposedly how Tom Delay broke the law, by laundering this type of money.

I don't know if most unions are corrupt to the point of irrelevancy, but it seems to me we've gone round on this before. I think Toad's wisdom is succinct and apt here - the only thing worse than a union is NO union.

Your point would be relevent if it were a company contributing your 401k contributions without your consent or opinion. Yes people have a choice to be in a Union. Personally, I think this will be a great law. It will keep an influencial player out of politics.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 10, 2005, 11:58:18 AM »

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Originally posted by oboe
Two points, really. One, is every time you get on your high horse about the evils of socialism I feel the need to point out that you are biting the hand that feeds you. Some people may view it as hypocrisy on your part.

Oboe do you really think people would not build water treatment plants without socialism? It's not Lazs' fault that his profession is dominated by government monopolies.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 10, 2005, 11:59:39 AM »

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Originally posted by mora
People have the choice to join an union or not

Not in the USA. Maybe you understand why so many of us dislike unions?

john9001 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 10, 2005, 12:18:08 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Not in the USA. Maybe you understand why so many of us dislike unions?

that depends on what State you work in, some States have "right to work" laws that say workers don't have to join a union.

*"right to work" law....some people call them "right to fire" laws, you can be fired with no notice and without cause.

on CEO pay, the board of directors decide CEO pay and bonus but the board is made up of CEO's from other companys, so you have CEO's voting big pay and bonus for each other, ( you vote for my 20million bonus and i will vote for yours)