Author Topic: 2 Norwegian coastguard inspectors kinapped (Read 5058 times)

Boroda · « **Reply #135 on:** October 18, 2005, 02:16:13 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
well I allways thought it was something like :

Opposite direction, human listening to dogs barking in case of Echo of Moscow.

Estel · « **Reply #136 on:** October 18, 2005, 02:21:02 PM »

Norwegian plane tryed to stop "Elektron" by droping the net while overflying. But missed and catched another trawler "Arlashkin". "Arlashkin" lost the speed. The rescue ship "Purga" is headed to "Arlashkin" now. As was said by Border authorities, "Elektron" can achieve border at 0100am Oct 19.

Hangtime · « **Reply #137 on:** October 18, 2005, 02:26:07 PM »

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I think their license will be definetly called back. Just for the trouble they made and enterntainment they provided to the Western public. whoopee brig Mercury, "We are about to sink but we'll not surrender" my ass...

Explain? Mercury was an outstanding ship action by young Russian Captain on 20 gun Brig 150 years ago.. very proud moment for Russian Navy. The pride of this moment in old Tsarist history a modern problem for your Navy?

AWMac · « **Reply #138 on:** October 18, 2005, 02:28:13 PM »

And let loose the Dogs of War!!!

Ohhh yeah......INexcusable!

Wilbus · « **Reply #139 on:** October 18, 2005, 03:00:12 PM »

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It's quite wise not to argue about things that you don't know.

Nothing to do about knowing or not knowing. It would just turn out to be another long lived boring discussion with arguments about who is right and who is wrong without any real answers.

Estel · « **Reply #140 on:** October 18, 2005, 03:44:57 PM »

The captain of trawler Arlashkin is declaring that ship and crew is in danger.

As it known, norwegian plane dropped "delt" the net onto the Elektron but missed and catched Arlashkin. Trawler lost the speed. The main engine is stopped. The weather is nord-west 9, wave 4-6 meters. Wind 25-28 m/sec. The Mount Kent trawler wich is near Arlashkin can not evacuate the crew due to weather.

Yea guys. You are the best. Catched wrong ship and leaved her without help in the storm.

AWMac · « **Reply #141 on:** October 18, 2005, 03:51:15 PM »

So many trawlers, so little time.

Estel · « **Reply #142 on:** October 18, 2005, 03:59:35 PM »

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Originally posted by AWMac
So many trawlers, so little time.

Or maybe just so poor pilots?

Estel · « **Reply #143 on:** October 18, 2005, 04:47:18 PM »

2 Nilsen

I'v found agreements from 1871 till nowadays. Perfect reading. Sorry, in russian only. But there are very interesting things.

First of all, I was wrong about jurisdiction. Yes, from Feb 9 1920 Spitsbergen is under Norway urisdiction. But. This jurisdiction based on equal rights of all participants. The rights of RSFSR for equal using of Spitsbergen confirmed by agreement of 1935. In 1925 Norway established Mountain agreement, Agreement of Spitsbergen and Spitsbergen law wich actually are confirming the Norway jurisdiction based on equal rights of all sides. Let's say it again. Based on equal rights of using and activities of all participants.

The interests of post-war USSR were confirmed by storting at Feb 15 1947.

The first violation of Paris agreement (1920) was made at Jan 15 1951, when Norway included the demilitarised territory of Spitsbergen into the NATO controlled territory.

Nilsen · « **Reply #144 on:** October 18, 2005, 05:20:39 PM »

I go away for a couple of hours and there is 2 full pages of replies

No idea were to even start.. its 00:10 here... sum it all up Boroda/Estel and ill get at it tomorrow. By then there will be more news im sure.

First of all its confirmed. 3 "marinejeger" (SBS/SEAL type guys) have been flown out to one of the coastguard vessels.. What they are there for we can only speculate about. They are specially trained to board ships and oilrigs to release hostages, kill terrorists etc etc. Lets just say they are there to advice the coasties

Second... Russian and Norwegian authorities are in full agreement.. the trawler has broken the law and will be prosecuted.

Third... No Norwegian vessels will enter Russain waters.

Fourth.. Nothing in the news here about any nets beeing thrown from airplanes. Dunno if P3C aircraft usually bring fishing nets. I knwo they fly low but...

Good night folks

Vulcan · « **Reply #145 on:** October 18, 2005, 05:42:10 PM »

Man I wouldn't throw a net at those russian trawlers, they look so fragile something like estels bad breath would be enough to send them down to join the Kursk on the seabed.

Looks like the Russians have joined NK in being just another 3rd world country trying to steal food.

Suave · « **Reply #146 on:** October 18, 2005, 05:49:25 PM »

Elektonic Supersonik. Long live fish race. Long live Russia.

ASTAC · « **Reply #147 on:** October 18, 2005, 06:04:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Oh poor, poor me!!! Believe me, I have other things to worry about then to discuss if comrade Putin is a dictator. I don't ****ing care. As for me - we lived much better under "bloody communist regime".

I agree with that.

Cold War was good for the military of both countries...

Now since it has ended we have to do more with alot less.

Besides, that whole "nuclear threat" was just BS..neither country was/is stupid enough to use them.

It was good to have an "enemy" we could put a face on too, instead of a faceless enemy hiding in shadows and blowing things up at their will.

But I digress.

Regardless of wether Norway could arrest the ship or not, the Fishermen are not law enforcement people and CANNOT hold the Norweigans lawfully therefore no matter what the circumstances, they are/were (is this over now? to lazy to read the WHOLE thread) Hostages/kidnap victims.

Debonair · « **Reply #148 on:** October 18, 2005, 06:37:08 PM »

This is all obviously a cover story to save face over westerners defecting to the glorious east

Rino · « **Reply #149 on:** October 18, 2005, 08:15:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Estel
2 Nilsen

I'v found agreements from 1871 till nowadays. Perfect reading. Sorry, in russian only. But there are very interesting things.

First of all, I was wrong about jurisdiction. Yes, from Feb 9 1920 Spitsbergen is under Norway urisdiction. But. This jurisdiction based on equal rights of all participants. The rights of RSFSR for equal using of Spitsbergen confirmed by agreement of 1935. In 1925 Norway established Mountain agreement, Agreement of Spitsbergen and Spitsbergen law wich actually are confirming the Norway jurisdiction based on equal rights of all sides. Let's say it again. Based on equal rights of using and activities of all participants.

The interests of post-war USSR were confirmed by storting at Feb 15 1947.

The first violation of Paris agreement (1920) was made at Jan 15 1951, when Norway included the demilitarised territory of Spitsbergen into the NATO controlled territory.

So how many agreements were signed by the post-USSR government?
I'm sure you could go back to Roman times and find documents if you
wanted/had to. Doesn't mean they are valid now.