2 Norwegian coastguard inspectors kinapped

[Hangtime]

Estel, I'm not trying to mask hostage taking with apologist excuses.

Those coastguardsmen are hostages, plain and simple. At the time the Trawler decided to run for it, sea conditions were not a threat to the guardsman, and they could have been allowed to leave safely.

Had that happened, there would be no reason for the Norwegians to continue to pursue the trawler with multiple ships and aircraft (all now at risk in the current weather)... the could have simply fired across her bow and manuvered to block her advance out of the area... all without significant risk to life.

The actions of the trawler are criminal at best.

[Estel]

And now something interesting....

Due to temporary agreement of the Spitsbergen fishgurading zone, Norway coast guard have right to check russian trawlers. But it never had right to make any punishments and sure they have no right to arrest the trawlers. PERIOD.

Official message from Federal Fishing Agency. Quoted from their interview given to radiostation "Echo of Moscow"

edit from here

So, if they violated their own agreement and tryed to illegaly arrest the trawler, the inspectors can be accused in piracy.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Nilsen
1. Coastguard

Lmao
Who`s Coastguard? Norwegian CG seems to have gotten bogged down a bit, huh?

2. say what?

  Ummmm Hmmmmmm.

Let it go jackal

 Let what go? The truth? Is it interfering in how you wish things were instead how they really are. Naive.
 Have you read any of Estel`s posts and gave them any consideration as to how they play in a situation like this? Not agreeing or disagreeing. I`m just saying there can be a spin put on any "International law/rule" if the need arises.
Hell, we all do it. Just a fact.

[Estel]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Those coastguardsmen are hostages, plain and simple. At the time the Trawler decided to run for it, sea conditions were not a threat to the guardsman, and they could have been allowed to leave safely.

.......

The actions of the trawler are criminal at best.

Look my last post. They must be happy that they are not under arrest. Norway coast guard has not right to arrest trawler.

[Nilsen]

Update:

Now the inspectors have been told to stay onboard by the Coastguard to continue their job.

Boarding is now a real option to arrest the ship. It will be stopped by force if they have to. I bet special forces are getting ready.

The russians have sent a destroyer to keep the norwegian coastguard ships from entering Russian waters (they wont do that)

The "agreement" between Norwegian and Russain governments to get the inspectors off in Russian waters and returing them to Norway is not known by the Norwegian diplomats so this is a something that only the Russians have agreed to.

We have subs in the area.

[Hangtime]

Look my last post. They must be happy that they are not under arrest. Norway coast guard has not right to arrest trawler.

Disagree. In the zone they patrol they DO have the right to detain and impound vessels found in violation of the fishing treaty.

And the Russians absolutey don't have the right to take Norwegian hostages.

Be glad I'm not the Norwegian Admiral in charge of that zone. Your trawler would have a 5" hole in her engine room and she'd be under tow to a Norwegian port with her captain in chains.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Lmao
Who`s Coastguard? Norwegian CG seems to have gotten bogged down a bit, huh?

  Ummmm Hmmmmmm.

  Let what go? The truth? Is it interfering in how you wish things were instead how they really are. Naive.
 Have you read any of Estel`s posts and gave them any consideration as to how they play in a situation like this? Not agreeing or disagreeing. I`m just saying there can be a spin put on any "International law/rule" if the need arises.
Hell, we all do it. Just a fact.

ok

[Jackal1]

Different views from different countries and different news reported.

Posted by Estel
"Just got last news.

Elektron is headed to White sea due to weather. There, on the water border he will meet with "Tver" and "Admiral Levchenko". After that, inspectors will be tranferred onto one of the warships. Due to agreement with Norway, inspectors will be delivered to Murmansk. After investigation they will be delivered back to the Norway"


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Posted by Nielson
"Update:

Now the inspectors have been told to stay onboard by the Coastguard to continue their job.

Boarding is now a real option to arrest the ship. It will be stopped by force if they have to. I bet special forces are getting ready.

The russians have sent a destroyer to keep the norwegian coastguard ships from entering Russian waters (they wont do that)

The "agreement" between Norwegian and Russain governments to get the inspectors off in Russian waters and returing them to Norway is not known by the Norwegian diplomats so this is a something that only the Russians have agreed to.

We have subs in the area."

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See my point now?

[Nilsen]

There are disagreements yes Jakala... we know that

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Nilsen
There are disagreements yes Jakala... we know that

LOL
  The different views put forth by the two countries is the point.
Yep, and they will be dealt with on an International incident level by one country to another with all viewing from the sidelines.  Nothing will result but a bunch of hoopla to avoid making things more intense.

[Estel]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Disagree. In the zone they patrol they DO have the right to detain and impound vessels found in violation of the fishing treaty.

But due to agreement they have signed, they do not have rights to detain or punish russian fishery ships. Not looking onto violations. This is the part of temporary agreement.

Be glad I'm not the Norwegian Admiral in charge of that zone. Your trawler would have a 5" hole in her engine room and she'd be under tow to a Norwegian port with her captain in chains.

Be glad, you are not norway sailor from norway trawler wich don't get 120mm holes in hull, when they are fishing in our economy zone. Usually they are dropping fish and running away to Norway territory. But you gave us a good learning. Now we will shoot them.

[Estel]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Update:

Now the inspectors have been told to stay onboard by the Coastguard to continue their job.
 

Do I understand you correct, that they are not hostages, because of they are receiving and following orders?

Sure you understand, that capturing russian ship in russian economy zone by any warship will not just cross points. This will be something worse.

[Hangtime]

Estel, nothing would please me more than outright hostilities between Scandanavian republics and Russia over transgressions on the Scandanavian Fisheries. I'm certain of which side The EU and the US would come down on, and it ain't Russia we'd be backing up.

Check that map again.. those waters and the fish population there represents the economic health of Norway and Scandanavia.. that's their breadbasket you are encroaching on, overfishing and abusing. Those resources are Strategic as far as Scandanavia is concerned and this encroachment and abuse of treaty by Russia could be construed as a serious provocation.

I hope they kick your tulips all the way back to Murmask.

[Estel]

And now another news.

from radiostation "Echo of Moscow"

When trawler began manuevering to establish course into Russian territory, inspectors was offered to leave the ship. But they denied it. They said that they have an order to stay on the ship. After that captain informed them again, that the trawler is headed to Murmansk. But inspectors denied again.

This information is confirmed by Norway goverment.


You guys missed up with "hostages".

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Estel
And now another news.

from radiostation "Echo of Moscow"

When trawler began manuevering to establish course into Russian territory, inspectors was offered to leave the ship. But they denied it. They said that they have an order to stay on the ship. After that captain informed them again, that the trawler is headed to Murmansk. But inspectors denied again.

This information is confirmed by Norway goverment.


You guys missed up with "hostages".

Frankly, I don't believe anything put out by Russian radio. They simply have ZERO credibility.