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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2005, 02:07:40 PM »
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$  !!

Would love to have an M-14 or M1A, but frankly, it's just not worth $1200.00 + as a shooter. (IMHO)
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2005, 02:09:29 PM »
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Just got back from a 5-hour drive (round trip) to pick up a nice 1917 SMLE (Lee Enfield) I bought at a gun show on Sunday. Good appearance, bore is sharp and bright, and you get that “Over the top lads!” vibe. It balances better than the no. 4 mk1, and even though it’s supposed to be a bit heavier it feels lighter. I have a new favorite rifle, until I buy the next one. Paid $150, about what I could have got one for from AIM (WW1 dates/British Mfg) a few months back if you add in shipping and transfer fees. The gas was a bit of a kicker though. BTW, The No. 5 is going to kick a lot more than a full sized battle rifle.

Enfields are about my favorite bolt action so far, but Mosin Nagants and 8mm Mausers are cheaper to shoot. Anything in 7.62 is pretty cheap to shoot but more expensive to buy, except the Ishapore Enfields. You can get a field grade Garand from CMP for under $400... next on my list.

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Nice! Good find, great price!

Whats a 'Ishapore' Enfield?
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2005, 02:11:29 PM »
another interesting smelly conversion is to the russian round but IMO smellies are about the least accurate of all military bolt guns..

Hang... it's not a bolt gun but the rifle I really enjoy shooting is the Garand.

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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2005, 02:12:46 PM »
Well, if you're going to CMP you might as well grab a 1903 and a Garand.  You can justify the cost later.


Btw, the Garand is a decent competition gun too (just make sure you drive to Camp Perry and pick out your own gun).  But it's not a bolt action gun.
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2005, 02:14:08 PM »
I know.. I know.. Laz, I just can justify the price for one in good condition. Sooner or later one will get in my hands at the right price... I hope.
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2005, 02:28:35 PM »
through the CMP you can get a garand for $450

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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2005, 04:10:50 PM »
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through the CMP you can get a garand for $450

lazs
yup $450.00 for a CMP Garand
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2005, 05:13:44 PM »
I have just about all mentioned rifles above. One of my favorite to shoot and prob the most accurate of the group is the Czech 98/22 in 8mm Mauser. It is a heavy rifle and can be had for less than $200. Before the market ran dry I bought two gems for $70 each.

Another rifle that hasnt been mentioned is the Turkish M38 or the 03 Turk. It is a bit of a crap shoot with these but they can still be had in the cheap < $90 range. Ammo is cheap 8mm and are very fun. I have a few that will keep a nice 2" group at 100 yards. A few others that will keyhole at 25yards. Try not to buy a Turk blind. Get a good look at it.

Another that hasnt been mentioned and one that could interest you the most. The Swiss 1931 Scmidt Rubin K31 7.5 Swiss Caliber. Very accurate rifle! Easy on the shoulder. Ammo in the surplus variant hard to come by. But comercial is available and accurate.

K31


Some of the other guns mentioned on this thread are for sale at this site. I have done lots of buisness with them and one of the best in the buisness.
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2005, 05:40:35 PM »
Hang,

If you pick up a bolt action like a mauser, mosin, or enfeild. Look into casting your own lead bullits and working up low power loads. The barrel will last longer, less kick and you may be suprised at the accuracy out to 200 yds for things like silluette shooting.

But, it will require slugging the barrel and casting the chamber to get your throat size. I found those tasks to be a fun challenge. There are some very good articles on the Internet about casting your own lead bullits for Milsurp rifles.

You will find a good collection of articles here for the whole hobby of Milsurp rifles.

http://www.surplusrifle.com/CDROM/contents.asp
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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2005, 05:44:11 PM »
Dont judge the SMLE by shooting the N0.5 Jungle Carbine! While the action is the same, the carbine kicks like a mule compared to the No1 MkIII. The rubber butt pad on the carbine is much smaller than the big brass butt plate on the full sized rifle. That and the difference in weight makes the recoil feel like a totally different gun.

Just last Saturday I sold my last SMLE. With that gun I had taken first place in the bolt-action division of a local shooting competition. Sold it for $90.00 with a 18 inch bayonet Smles in the grease (surplus) guns are going for $70.00 at the local gun shows right now.

At one point, I had 23 SMLEs including two of the .22 single shot training rifles. (Some time ago my new wife & child changed my gunroom into a craft room such is life.)

As mentioned, the No1 MkIII SMLE can be found in .308 as opposed to the normal .303. the only exterior difference is the shape of the magazine.  The price is also a little higher.
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« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2005, 05:53:58 PM »
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Nice! Good find, great price!

Whats a 'Ishapore' Enfield?


"Ishapore" Enfileds were made in India.
 
All of the .308 SMLEs I have seen were Indian made rifles.
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« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2005, 07:05:48 PM »
Keep your eyes and ears open! A lot of old guns surface at estate auctions.  Last summer at a farm auction there was a card table with some old guns on it. High bidder got first choice of anything on the table.

I was the high bidder at $265.00 and chose this!

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« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2005, 07:40:29 PM »
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Keep your eyes and ears open! A lot of old guns surface at estate auctions.  Last summer at a farm auction there was a card table with some old guns on it. High bidder got first choice of anything on the table.

I was the high bidder at $265.00 and chose this!



Excellent! Everyone who collects WWII rifles must invest in a Garrand.

I have four Enfields. My favorite is a 1941 No.4 Mk.I made by Savage under Lend Lease. It has just two rifling lands, but is the more accurate of the three shooters. I also have a No.I Mk.III* (omitted the magazine cut-off) dating to 1916. This rifle has a solid history being traced back to it being issued to the Australian 9th Light Horse. This rifle served in Palestine during the unit's engagement at Beersheba. It's in good condition, but its historical value means that it will never be fired again.

Also in my collection are several Mausers, including a really nice 1943 BRNO made 98k, with laminated stock.

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« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2005, 07:45:35 PM »
Ford, chevy or dodge?

I've seen this question asked alot before. usually the most accurate out the the box are the.

96 sweedish mauser in 6.5x55
swiss k31
finn m39
Alot of others are a crapshoot as mentioned before.

Any of these is usually capable of ~1"  groups at 100 yards with good ammo and a capable shooter. If you can handload groups can sometimes be sub-MOA.

While the k31 is cheaper to buy than the finn MN. I reccomended the finn MN because the  ammo is much cheaper. I have heard rumors that WOLF will be making 7.5 swiss ammo. So, that might make it a moot point.

Please dont judge the Finn Mosin Nagants on the russians. Its like comparing a chevy cavalier to a cadillac STS. I have both and they are worlds differnt in quality. While the basic design is the same the Finns made a number of improvments to the 1891/30 design.

If you can get your hands on some of the rifles mentioned. You may find one that just fits you perfectly.
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« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2005, 08:07:42 PM »
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Ford, chevy or dodge?

I've seen this question asked alot before. usually the most accurate out the the box are the.

96 sweedish mauser in 6.5x55
swiss k31
finn m39
Alot of others are a crapshoot as mentioned before.

Any of these is usually capable of ~1"  groups at 100 yards with good ammo and a capable shooter. If you can handload groups can sometimes be sub-MOA.

While the k31 is cheaper to buy than the finn MN. I reccomended the finn MN because the  ammo is much cheaper. I have heard rumors that WOLF will be making 7.5 swiss ammo. So, that might make it a moot point.

Please dont judge the Finn Mosin Nagants on the russians. Its like comparing a chevy cavalier to a cadillac STS. I have both and they are worlds differnt in quality. While the basic design is the same the Finns made a number of improvments to the 1891/30 design.

If you can get your hands on some of the rifles mentioned. You may find one that just fits you perfectly.


oops I forgot the M93 spanish mauser 7x57mm those are real nice shooters IMO as well.
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