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Offline sax

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Wanna know why the game is going downhill
« on: October 21, 2005, 07:07:56 AM »
Not because of gameplay---not so very long ago the majority of the players flew this game for the visit and a chance to beat someone or thier squad
soes they good rub it in--kinda good natured stuff.

Don't see that anymore--just BBS trolls that attention deficit weenies
start cause they can't stand that nobody really cares that they are
hot-shot sticks and we all need to bow down.

All tho this would be a boring place to read without em--I miss the days of
honest good natured rivalries.

My Troll--My O2 on the AH fun-o-meter.

Offline T0J0

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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2005, 09:41:07 AM »
This subject and post is like an AH bbs groundhogs day post...  Just do a thread search on downhill or game play...

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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2005, 10:38:56 AM »
I think a lot of squad have diversified over time.  I remember back in the day when the 13th, BKs, FDBs, JG2, AKs, MOL, and many more I forget all flew the same way and enjoyed the same sorts of fights.  The lack of additional gameplay really made that inevitable; furballing was the only real activity in the game.  I'm not even sure if they had ground vehicles back then.

Now you have few squads devoted to furballing alone, and you have many more squads that specialize in ground vehicles, base attack and capture, or whatever.  It's much more difficult to form friendly rivalries between squads that don't do the same sorts of things or view the game in the same sort of way.  That's unfortunate.

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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2005, 11:09:58 AM »
"all flew the same way and enjoyed the same sorts of fights."


Yup.  I do miss that.

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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2005, 12:04:42 PM »
To expound...

There are a few reasons I think the game has "changed", and not as appealing to some older players.

First off, things just get "old" after a while. I can not think of one game or thing i personally have been involved with and kept interest in as long as AH besides guitar. Some I think have just gotten to the point that they have seen / done everything in AH (or AW or whatever), and there is no more "challenge" to the game.

These people get frustrated when they can not find a "challenge" and do different things to show that frustration. BK's i will use as an example, only because they are probably the most recognized (no offense fellas, especially with the junk now). There are some OLD sticks in the BK's (and others in-game) that can pretty much shoot down anyone they want to if they were to really try.

these "old" sticks all have a rapport built up over 10 years of flight simming, and act a different way with each other, compared to a "2 week n00b" (at least online).

Some newer players come into the game, see some snide comments made in jest, but do not know the history of the players and the game. They take that as their queue to also act / talk in the same way. They are equal in their minds.

This changes the whole attitude while flying and the approach to the game IMHO.



Another part is selfishness. there are some players new and old, who just wont "play nice with others" these are the players that when asked on VOX or something in-game "please don’t bomb XXX" or "please help take base XXX" and they retort "STFU you can't tell me what to do, or how to play" in their frustration they sometimes act out against those same country mates just to spite them. This is a very selfish and arrogant way of thinking IMHO, but it seems to be prevalent.

These "selfish" players also don't want to "learn" or be helped in any way. They think the game works one certain way in their heads and NO ONE is going to tell them different. Think of the guys that swear you mush kill FH to capture a base, because it is not possible without. No matter what you tell them, or try and teach them about game play, they hold to their thought. Somewhere along the way they either saw, or was told some thing and take it as LAW. They in turn pass that on to new players, perpetuating the cycle.

So many times I have flown into a fight or attack or something, and hear guys talking out of their arses about how this and that works, with no clue what they are saying. When you try and help them understand it better, they just say you are wrong. Player XXXXX told them it is that way.

Add these things up, and you have a tumultuous arena.


How can it be made “better”? I am not sure. I do know one thing; the “help” radio channel is a good start. Instead of a regular influx of new players being told and taught things that are ½ truths, or blatantly incorrect about how game play works, you now have hopefully a way to teach new players correctly off the bat.

In the past a new guy would learn to type or talk, and whoever was nearby or had the time to answer would, with whatever they might know right or wrong.

I know there are no “rules” to the game, but there are some generally accepted game play situations. There are also some functions of the game that some don’t even seem to grasp. These things are the kind of question every new player will face quite early in the sim life, with no defined resource for them to go to. If they were show all the different options, and actions to take, they can make their own educated decision on what to do. As it stands right now (at least for the past 2 years) they just became a face in the “horde” following whatever moron decided to say “let’s do this”.


That, I think is why the MA has become a different place as a whole.


to add it is amazing how different you look at someone after you meet themin person @ one of the CON's. i think i have a good relationship with all the guys i met at them, and enjoy knowing them. i think that personal connection is something that really changes your view on the game.
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Offline SunKing

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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2005, 12:08:56 PM »
I'm on extended break. Mainly because of the ego. Reading and hearing the same ole same ole daily just burned me out the majority of the community.

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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2005, 12:14:44 PM »
Im sure there are all sorts of games out there that people get upset about while playing. They probably have Whack a Mole Online and someone is really good at it and it makes someone else mad.

  The thing to do is stay cool and remember its just a game. I see text ingame and in these forums of people who hate losing. Just pretend the guy you hate lives in a tar paper shack, and this is the only thing he has going for him.

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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2005, 12:19:11 PM »
I don't know, it's just not "the same" anymore. The fealing has been gone for quite a while. I am still hoping ToD will change it to the better but I don't dare hope too much.
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Offline Guppy35

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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2005, 12:39:56 PM »
It all depends on what you expect from the game I think.   At this point for me it's about sharing the history stuff, and enjoying the time up with guys in my squad.  Just winging to and from a fight can be fun because of the conversation and, at times because it just looks kinda cool being part of a flight of 38s winging their way to the fight.

Last night as an example, I barely pulled the trigger on one flight, while winging with Lazer.  Fuel got low, he was single engine and I covered him back to base.  I had a blast trying to stick close while we 'hedgehopped' home over the trees.  That  was fun, just cause it looked cool.

But then again I guess I went through my high expectations phase back in AW so I don't need to replay that.  The game is what it is and I can find what I'm looking for in it and have fun while enjoying the people within the community on the boards here too and in the arena.
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2005, 01:59:10 PM »
This game is great..


its you puds going down hill

whaaaa...

I always enjoy wacking you baby seals..arpgh arpgh

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2005, 02:04:43 PM »
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
...I always enjoy wacking you baby seals..arpgh arpgh


Tihi. Atleast the humor is on its peak :)
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2005, 03:48:05 PM »
BGB,
you owe me a new keyboard. Mine now has beer sprayed all over it.

 :rofl :rofl :lol
Lets keep the stupid to a minimum.
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2005, 04:25:48 PM »
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
This game is great..


its you puds going down hill

whaaaa...

I always enjoy wacking you baby seals..arpgh arpgh

:rofl
 MUhahhahhahaahahahaaaa.....

Prepare to eat lead and turf tonight you puds....

:D

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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2005, 04:26:06 PM »
I don't know why but my best years in AH where from 1999 to 2003.

I'm not speaking of my "skills" but the comunauty in the BBS or in the MA.

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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2005, 04:39:44 PM »
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
This game is great..


its you puds going down hill

whaaaa...

I always enjoy wacking you baby seals..arpgh arpgh


Although I wouldn't have put it like that , to certain degree I agree. Game is fine. Community is having some issues. IMO :)
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