Proof from HTC that Hispanos are accurate. plz dont ignore

[funked]

Fatty's right, and I'm sure Jig would agree.

[discod]

Comparing the grouping or scattering of bullets shot from different planes in ridiculous.

You should all know that each plane flies differently.  On fo the best features of the chog in AH is not the cannons..its how SMOOTH it flies.  If im not on target I give it a little rudder and as smooth as butter my nose slides over and BANG! I anil the target.

I have tried just about eery other plane and boy those things are wobbley!  The darn things bounce around so bad I don't see how anyone can hit anything.  

I think instead of comparing guns you guys should be compariong flight characteristics.  A smaller plane will definately react differently from a big plane when firing 20MM Cannon rounds.

And it doesn't matter if they ar both in level flight, all it takes is a minor jolt or vibration and at 900yds bullets will be spraying all over the place.

But the Chog flies smoother than any other plane I have tried (except bombers).  Take that and add Cannons and you have the perfect plane for a crappy shot like me.  

Now lets talk about those DWEEEBISH Typhoons!!!    he he he

[Torque]

I hope HTC fixes those weak Hispannies.

Sorry just had to buck the trend.

[Jigster]

It will take awhile but I'll set up a tile with range markers and use a hill backstop. But not before 1.05 comes out If anyone knows the length of the AH runway it would help a bit, other wise something like plane length will have to be used.

Btw if plane size was a factor (which it should) why on earth does the P-38 go all over the place? @ 15,000lbs, AND it has a nose wheel, directly stablizing it on the ground.

Btw the comparison I made uses the highest, lowest, and widest points in a given burst of fire. When firing the same guns they should all have the same range respectively within AH.

[Pongo]

It is rediculous to ask Pyro to prove the Hispano is not porked.
Compared to what? do we have absolute limits as to what was possible in WW2? are those numbers and ranges known? I have never seen them. You see lots of "I liked to shoot at this range" and "That dummy shot at that range". But hard numbers that said what % chance at what range. I think not. If you have them post them.
We definatly dont want a game that makes all rounds ineffective at 651 yards. That is definatly not realistic. So how they different guns and platforms degenerate at longer and extreme ranges has to be part of the game engine. And it might need some adjustments still. But not very big ones, not matter what is done a 4 hispano load out will out perform most any other load out in the war. And with all that ammo on the hog c and such a smooth and pointable gun platform...it will hurt ya.
No one seems to be screaming
"he shot me at 750 yards in a 1c!.."
Although it probably happens alot.
Is it worth making such a rukas over that last 75-150 yards in the leathality of the Hog C?
If they remove the range finder, what will people complain about.. they wont know at what range they were killed...
"That hog C got me at really long range!"

[Toad]

Well said, Pongo.

[Yeager]

Man, there are a lot of brown noses in this joint thats for sure.

AH is a great piece of work but it has some  serious flaws that need serious attention.

Yeager

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by Yeager:
Man, there are a lot of brown noses in this joint thats for sure.

AH is a great piece of work but it has some  serious flaws that need serious attention.

Yeager

Yes, beginning with the P51D, it is seriously overmodeled.  Never with a Chog could I attain a 34 to 1 K/D ratio.  It's uber,please fix it.

[AKDejaVu]

 

According to him he was actually further away then what the films shows (he said 1.4)

This is impossible.

If you want to adress the issues.. get up and make a film of someone firing few rounds and scoring a kill at 900 yards (on the SHOOTERS fe).  That's all you have to do.

Got news for you... if someone were to fire off 2/3rds of the ammo in a 1C... they should hit something at 900 yards if only by luck.

The farthest sniper shot was with a .50 calibre round at over 1400 yards.  Tell me one more time how a round some 70% bigger shouldn't do damage at 900 yards.

Time to get your heads out of the sand guys:

• 20 MM rounds can kill at 900 yards.
• AH does not make 900 yard shots easy.  If it did... I think there would be a film of it here.
• The plane firing from behind you is ALWAYS CLOSER on his FE than you see him on yours.  ALWAYS.
• A gun with less muzzle velocity is going to drop a considerable distance over 1000 yards... remember drop is not in velocity.. it is in acceleration (feet per seconds squared)

It seems this whole thread is loaded with half-truths and misinformation.  All of that can be cleared up quite quickly... with a film.

AKDejaVu

[Pongo]

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
This is impossible.

If you want to adress the issues.. get up and make a film of someone firing few rounds and scoring a kill at 900 yards (on the SHOOTERS fe).  That's all you have to do.

Got news for you... if someone were to fire off 2/3rds of the ammo in a 1C... they should hit something at 900 yards if only by luck.

The farthest sniper shot was with a .50 calibre round at over 1400 yards.  Tell me one more time how a round some 70% bigger shouldn't do damage at 900 yards.

Time to get your heads out of the sand guys:

• 20 MM rounds can kill at 900 yards.
• AH does not make 900 yard shots easy.  If it did... I think there would be a film of it here.
• The plane firing from behind you is ALWAYS CLOSER on his FE than you see him on yours.  ALWAYS.
• A gun with less muzzle velocity is going to drop a considerable distance over 1000 yards... remember drop is not in velocity.. it is in acceleration (feet per seconds squared)

It seems this whole thread is loaded with half-truths and misinformation.  All of that can be cleared up quite quickly... with a film.

AKDejaVu[/b]

Once again. The ability of the Hispano to kill or cripple in AH at 900 on the recievers FE is not really up for debate. It happend infront of everyone at the Con.
Yeager, My only point is how do you establish what is too far? I have looked into the Hispanos war record every where I could for a year. All I am conviced of is that it was much better then 8 brownings. There is nothing to indicate that I can find that it was the world beater we have here. But how many times is it constuctive to bring it up? Pyro knows. He is looking at it as he gets the chance. Does he have to post to that effect every time someone is on the recieving end of the chog and wants to make sure we all know it can shoot far in case we missed it allready?

[BigJim]

Hmmm I need some conversion help I guess??? how does 3/4 of an inch come out to 19mm???
I see 3/4 of an inch as something much HIGHER in mm.  I think that the 20's should penetrate the IVG EVERYWHERE accept the front armour and the turret mantle.  The ONLY valid rap of the F4U-1C is its production numbers, otherwise I think it is performing as well as can be expected in a sim.  My question is WHY .50 cals don't stop an osti with only 20mm of armour on the OPEN turret.

BigJim

[Yeager]

I dont much care to get into the debate over whether these 20mm quad mounts on the Chog  are accurate either basllistically or from a damage modeling point of view.  In my opinion, gameplay was hurt when this quad mount was introduced into AH.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Introducing this game play killing joke of a fighter plane was a watershed event in my opinion and AH has not been better off since.

Granted, the Chog dependant generation will never survive without it and will always condemn me for my dissent against their inability to do any better with any less.

So it is written, so it shall be done  

Love,
Yeager

[Fatty]

Beats me Jigster, but good luck on the test, I'd love to see it.  The more I think about this the more I'd love to have an offline target range of sorts to test head positions and gunsights.

Any of you talented or even not so talented editors come up with a yardmarked runway complete with backstop and you'll be as popular as Nuttz!  

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by BigJim:
Hmmm I need some conversion help I guess??? how does 3/4 of an inch come out to 19mm???
I see 3/4 of an inch as something much HIGHER in mm

yes, you seem to need some conversion help  

1 inch= 25.3mm
3/4 inch= 18.975mm

You got it  

[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 12-18-2000).]

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by Yeager:
 In my opinion, gameplay was hurt when this quad mount was introduced into AH.  Nothing more, nothing less.
Love,
Yeager

Funny, Yeager, I feel the same way about that P51D...it upsets game play just as much IMO.  Good thing I haven't (Yet) gone around and made a big stink about it or it may be as popular as the Chog!(Rip runs over to Gameplay Forum)