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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2005, 02:40:57 PM »
mt said

 "I only put up with it cause I know that if we met i could kick you in the bellybutton and out run you easily.."

well... well... ah... blah blah blah blah!

and maybe a little more blah blah blah ad homi... add homey... ad hom whatever and then some more blah blah blah...

had enough?

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« Reply #46 on: November 07, 2005, 03:38:28 PM »
OK.... now your just asking for it!

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« Reply #47 on: November 07, 2005, 04:41:40 PM »
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You'll drink the rest of the conservative koolaid if they let you keep your toys.


Today we are having Dark cherry.....mmmm....my favorite.  ;)

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« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2005, 08:34:46 AM »
and that goes for the "little woman" (I know she likes being called that) too..

At least you don't drive an xterran or whatever that thing is.   And you realize that even if abortions were mandatory..

old liberals with xterrans wouldn't get laid by young chicks.

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« Reply #49 on: November 08, 2005, 11:15:55 AM »
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Sandy, not sure if you have daughters or not...but if you did, under age, do you think they should have parent consent before killin...er, having an abortion?


The question isn't really relevant to the topic. The proposition does not address the issue of consent. It is about notification only.

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In 1953, a state law was enacted that allowed minors to receive, without parental consent or notification, the same types of medical care for a pregnancy that are available to an adult. Based on this law and later legal developments related to abortion, minors were able to obtain abortions without parental consent or notification.


In other words, a teenager is also free to receive neo-natal care without the prior consent of an adult.
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« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2005, 12:46:36 PM »
Hi All,

I hope I won't get in trouble for interrupting the scintilating Laz, Sandman, Nash, "you are, no you are" debate. If so, please forgive me, and feel free to ignore the following.

In a sane world, the idea that the state could take your minor daughter - as young as say 12 or 13 - away for an invasive surgery without informing you wouldn't even be debatable. In most school systems, parental consent is required before your daughter can even receive an aspirin for a headache, or use the asthma inhaler prescribed to her with your consent by the family doctor. And yet we are expected to live with and be content that in most states your daughter can opt for and then go through a procedure that can and does sometimes lead to the death of the mother, infection, infertility, cervical incompetence, and which will have profound spiritual and psychological consequences. And this at a time when states concur that she has not reached a sufficient level of maturity to make most major life decisions or even take care of herself.

Additionally, most parents search long and hard to find the best medical care that they can afford for their children, and yet in this case, your daughter can be operated on by a doctor you wouldn't trust the family dog with, without your even being consulted as to where you would prefer she be treated.

Gentlemen, let us remove the issue of abortion from the discussion for a moment, and insert any other kind of invasive surgery. Would you be content for a moment with the idea that your 14 year old daughter could inform a school counselor that she had decided to have her tonsils removed, and they facilitate the procedure from start to finish without your ever being informed?

Aside from that, how would you react, if as a mother in Virginia shared with me several years ago, you were contacted one afternoon by a hospital to let you know that your daughter was not at cheerleading practice, she was in the ICU ward of a hospital because her uterus had been perforated by a doctor you'd never even met during a procedure you knew nothing of, and that she'd just undergone an emergency hysterectomy and was currently suffering from acute peritonitis and barely clinging to life? Would you really hang up the phone with a warm feeling thinking. "Wow! I'm so glad that the people from NOW and PAW are doing such an excellent job of protecting my minor daughter's "right to choose abortion" free from even the potential for  interference from her stupid and extraneous parents."

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« Reply #51 on: November 08, 2005, 01:36:02 PM »
An excellent post. You are presenting a common sense and rational thinking, but you forget one thing. You said:

"Gentlemen, let us remove the issue of abortion from the discussion for a moment"...

... well, we can't. An abortion is so important to the lefties, that they'll abandon everything and anything to preserve it. Common sense and rational thinking are the first casualties.

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« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2005, 02:16:13 PM »
seagoon... We are saying the same thing... you are just more...  "diplomatic"

He called you a retard sandie.

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« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2005, 05:27:58 PM »
Isn't it possible that if the girl with the perforated uterus had been able to go to a reputable doctor instead of trying to sneak around she would have gotten the medical care she needed and might have come through the abortion without a problem?

Sounds like a great argument against 73.

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« Reply #54 on: November 08, 2005, 05:31:03 PM »
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Isn't it possible that if the girl with the perforated uterus had been able to go to a reputable doctor instead of trying to sneak around she would have gotten the medical care she needed and might have come through the abortion without a problem?

Sounds like a great argument against 73.


Who said she needed to sneak around? The state prolly has laws just like Californias current one.

You have some inside knowledge on the girl Seagoon is talking about, cause when I read it my take was it was just another ****up by a incompetent Doctor?

They do have those you know.

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« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2005, 08:30:00 AM »
MT... seagoon called you a poo poo head.

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« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2005, 08:33:18 AM »
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MT... seagoon called you a poo poo head.

lazs


Troublemaker.

at least the voters of California showed a little sense. Not much, just a little.

We seem to be right about the socail issues and still want our state run by the labor unions...

Maybe Missouri would be a nice place to live.

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« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2005, 09:58:55 AM »
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An excellent post. You are presenting a common sense and rational thinking, but you forget one thing. You said:

"Gentlemen, let us remove the issue of abortion from the discussion for a moment"...

... well, we can't. An abortion is so important to the lefties, that they'll abandon everything and anything to preserve it. Common sense and rational thinking are the first casualties.


what if it wasn't about abortion.  The left will have you beleive they are not PRO abortion but merely PRO choice.  Since when do childeren get to choose what's best for them?  They don't, not until they are 18.  This truely is about parents rights.  

What if your 13 year old daughter wanted to get a nose job, or breast augmentation (and it does happen in california that young)  Would you really give her the right to choose to alter her face and appearance PERMANENTLY.  What about tatoos, kids think they're great and usually regret them as adults.  Should we abolish the tatoo age (18 years old) because we don't want our kids doing it themselves and getting prison type tats?


BTW, I can't find anything in the news, did this measure pass or fail?

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« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2005, 10:05:14 AM »
Well I guess the parents of this state would rather stick their heads in the sand and let their kids have abortions without them knowing.

Hey if you don't know your kid is sleeping with half the JV football team she is still a good kid right?

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« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2005, 10:06:33 AM »
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BTW, I can't find anything in the news, did this measure pass or fail?


All eight measures failed. source
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