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« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2005, 10:10:50 AM »
spot on cpxxx IMO

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« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2005, 10:29:00 AM »
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Beautifull.

Now I am a mongoloid. I always thought that I'm only an asian barbarian on a shaggy mount, but mongoloid?... :rolleyes:
 


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I'm glad that you take it in a funny way. That's how I mean it.

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« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2005, 10:30:52 AM »
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Grunherz
 

Delete the word 'muslims'  

There's the reason for the problems.  Not their religion. They are not rioting because they're muslim. They are rioting because they are  

This is not a new front in the 'war on terror'. It's more like the famous LA riots of a few years ago.  A reaction against perceived oppression by the authorities and basically hooligans taking advantage of a break down in law and order.

Only when France gets it's act together economically and actually does something to reduce unemployment by leaving behind failed economic policies will things change in the poorer areas of Paris. 25% unemployment among any group will always cause problems. Add in racism, sectarianism and discrimination and you have a powder keg.

One other thing to point out is that France has a long tradition of rioting as a means of social change. The CRS get a lot of use out of their helmets and riot shields.


I agree, France and the French people are clearly to blame for this.

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« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2005, 10:38:42 AM »
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I think he wants us to kill all the muslims, something they tried in an easternly ex  country a while ago I think...


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« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2005, 10:41:37 AM »
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I'm glad that you take it in a funny way. That's how I mean it.


Grun, I always knew that you are one of the few people here who understand when I am sarcastic and don't think that I'm joking when I am serious.

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« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2005, 10:47:10 AM »
GH have you ever seen faceoffs between french and immigrants with your own eyes?
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« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2005, 10:50:08 AM »
Nope. Are they common? Do they often lead to riots that burn down buildings torch thousands of cars etc?

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« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2005, 11:05:37 AM »
They're chicken ****s and don't want to get caged.  Now that it's open season on public property, they aren't holding back.  This is the stuff they wish they had an excuse for every other day.

In normal times the french let rabble walk all over them, then feel guilty for it, but don't straightening up and stand their ground in person.
They get real bitter over it but don't dare act on it, it's a pretty cowardly sight.
Watch the movie Takeda linked.

I'd take the subway, and this guy selling roasted nuts on a cheapo table to one end of the station, looks the other way for a second, and a delinquant grabs a few packs.
The merchant looks back and you can see he's not about to do anything, he'd get smacked instantly.  So the young guy sees this, and grabs more while looking straight into the merchant's eyes.
The merchant whines disapproval like a beaten dog with his tail between legs but frothing mouth, but doesn't dare seem righteous.
No one says anything, because thats the status quo.
People are conditionned to this.

I could tell pages and pages of this stuff in the smallest details, all the way back from kindergarten.
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« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2005, 11:07:45 AM »
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They're chicken ****s and don't want to get caged.  Now that it's open season on public property, they aren't holding back.  This is the stuff they wish they had an excuse for every other day.

In normal times the french let rabble walk all over them, then feel guilty for it, but don't straightening up and stand their ground in person.
They get real bitter over it but don't dare act on it, it's a pretty cowardly sight.
Watch the movie Takeda linked.

I'd take the subway, and this guy selling roasted nuts on a cheapo table to one end of the station, looks the other way for a second, and a delinquant grabs a few packs.
The merchant looks back and you can see he's not about to do anything, he'd get smacked instantly.  So the young guy sees this, and grabs more while looking straight into the merchant's eyes.
The merchant whines disapproval like a beaten dog with his tail between legs but frothing mouth, but doesn't dare seem righteous.
No one says anything, because thats the status quo.
People are conditionned to this.


If I posted this it would be called french bashing. If you post it, I'm not sure what they would say.

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« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2005, 11:15:47 AM »
It's great.
I'm nothing and everything at once.
I can say what I want, do what I want, be and go where I want to, and at the same time draw from any of the dozen inherited cultures or deny some or all by pointing out their shortcomings, then mix-and-match synthesize whatever I want without the excess baggage of belonging to any of em.
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« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2005, 11:23:44 AM »
Going off on a tangent, but I remember my dad walked with us back from school in Saint-Denis.  We had to go thru a pretty damn dangerous set of high-rise HLMs, or take a detour and face an equal sum of smaller dangers.  I was maybe 14, my brothers were 8 and 10.
This group of three or four deliquants were ****in around trying to scare us, maybe really mug us if we appeared vulnerable enough.

At one point we're waiting at a crosswalk, and they start putting on the pressure by talking smack as though we weren't right next to them.
We walked away ignoring them, I couldn't do much as they were three late teens, probably armed, and my dad's got polio scarring pretty bad on one ankle :D.  
Anyway, we manage to distance them by ignoring them, but as we do they stop and throw beer cans without really aiming for us.
My dad got so pissed off at putting up with their bull****, he ripped out this beam of metal from not-so-loose construction concrete, right from the ****in sidewalk, waved it at them.
He's no Schwarzie, but he was so ****in pissed (surely woulda whacked em without hesitation had they come to get some) they just turned around and pissed off.
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« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2005, 11:25:37 AM »
I though socialism, diversity, and political correctness was supposed to fix all this?

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« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2005, 11:26:20 AM »
This only shows that the strict immigration laws posed in Finland were the right way to go.
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« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2005, 11:34:30 AM »
We'd sit in class, and across the street there was an HLM with the lowest balconies reachable if you climbed a little.
Some friends were eyeing a pair of expensive Nike's left in sight.  There was some other stuff, but nothing you could swipe from below with so little foothold.
So they went and got it, and I agreed, it was so easy to take it, so valuable with no defense whatsoever.
But I thought, I do this, then what? The neighbourhood stank of ghetto and I couldn't stand to take part in it.
Almost everyone in the class felt the same, tempted but not willing to decide whether it was defendable.  Everyone (french, algerian, belgian, spanish, portuguese, you name it there was one in the class) was for himself and somehow, instead of agreeing the best thing was to mutualy consent to staying civil and out of each other's way, in a common sense free market type of environment, no one took responsibility, and just let things slide.  It paid more to do someone in than to work honestly for honest rewards.
The deliquants never asked twice.. no guilt when the offended is willing.

Later that year, that same "friend" picked the lock to the back of our house and stole all the compact hitech stuff in my room.
My dad got pissed, walked right to his house (keep in mind the kid's bigger brother has basically a whole high-rise to back him up) and talked to him and his parents.
The hypocrite came to me next day, praising how much balls my dad had, as tho we were friends again, newfound esteem.

That's all it'd take, guts and a sense of non-violent warfare anytime you were outnumbered.
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« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2005, 11:41:27 AM »
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So they went and got it, and I agreed, it was so easy to take it, so valuable with no defense whatsoever.

Later that year, that same "friend" picked the lock to the back of our house and stole all the compact hitech stuff in my room.


So, you thought since somebody left shoes that with just a small amount of effort could be stolen it was okay to steal them?

That shows an appalling lack of self-respect, a lack of respect for others, a complete failing in your upbringing and the society you inhabit.  Those shoes were someones property, something they paid for, something they put the effort into going out and buying, and were shoes they probably needed.  

I am glad to hear you had something then stolen from you, even if you weren't the one who stole the shoes because hopefully you learned the violation of a person that occurs when you steal from them.  You understand what it is to have something you worked for, saved for and valued stolen by someone with no right to your property.

Maybe if you learned those lessons you became a better person.  If it just gave you a justification to steal someone elses property, your a lost hope.

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