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« Reply #90 on: November 17, 2005, 12:05:47 AM »
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You've spent your entire time trying to say that we didn't read what you posted originally correctly.

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The P-38 is a wonderful plane in AH2 for airfield attacks. Is it a pure dogfighter? Of course not. If you try to turn and burn in a 38 as if you're in a spit, then you're just asking to die.


There's really not much to get confused.  You clearly stated that if you try and turn fight in a P-38, you're going to die quickly.

I and a few others called you on it, we know your statement is incorrect as we have a little more experience in flying the plane in AH than you do and we know what the Lightning is and isn't capable of.  Again, if you want example do a search of the AH boards.  You'll find plenty of films of us doing exactly what you said would result in our demise if we tried.

You weren't trashed because you said it wasn't a pure dog fighter.  We all know that the P-38 isn't.  It's a jack of all trades and is able to perform in all roles equally well.  Heck, it was a pretty decent level bomber when it was used in that role. Where we disagreed with you was in your first statement about trying to turn fight in the P-38.  Again, I just merely pointed out that this statement was most likely (actually 100% positive) a result of your inexperience in flying the Lightning.

So, in conclusion, we are not the ones with reading comprehension problems.  We never blasted you for using the P-38 in one if its historical roles (attack) nor did we ever say you should only fly it to "dogfight".    


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« Reply #91 on: November 17, 2005, 01:14:49 AM »
The F6F fought off of Okinawa and the Home Islands after the war had ended for the P-38 in the Phillipines too,  and they were deployed in large #s in the Fast Carrier Groups. More Hellcats flying for longer, that and the CVs were able to deliver them to the hot zones, and they bore the brunt of the Kamikaze strikes 44-45, where the IJ forces came looking for them, in large #s.  

Its apples and oranges anyways, but its still interesting just to see the stats.

The P-40 as USAAF #2 in PTO is illustrative as to its length of service and hard use.
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« Reply #92 on: November 18, 2005, 03:54:06 PM »
See Rule #4/#5/#2
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« Reply #93 on: November 18, 2005, 04:14:10 PM »
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Cempa, yesterday was a good day to let this thread die.  This post of yours was an ugly mistake.

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« Reply #94 on: November 18, 2005, 06:40:01 PM »
I'm just seeing how often others are allowed to freely insult people while some are not.  Call it an experiment in favoritism.  Others question my experience and skills (see multiple usage of the word "inexperienced" by both Widewing and Ack-ack); but I can not reply in kind.  Fair?  Hardly.  Typical?  Absolutely.  Someone has to look himself in the mirror and accept the tag of biased.  That won't change even after I'm banned.  The mirror, and the bias, will still be there - staring back. ;)

  Rule #2 was invoked on my post?  Interesting.

  When I posted about Bong using the P-38 and my fondness for the P-38, that was on just barely on topic, certainly as on topic as Widewing's response.  How was Widewing's post about McCampbell on topic?   What does McCampbell's record have to do with the nickname of P-38's, or even P-38's at all?  Pure, indefensible favoritism and bias.  As a matter of fact, how was your post on topic, Oldman?  

   Does this mean that Skuzzy doesn't love me anymore?   Maybe I should have sent flowers.  Maybe Skuzzy should read rule #4 a little more closely and apply it to Ack-ack and Widewing's insulting posts.  Or at the very least, apply it evenly.  That goes for all the rules, doesn't it?  If they aren't applied equally, then aren't they simply a matter of whim?  That's when the favoritism and bias slip into the mix.  Skuzzy was correct to delete all of the involved posts when he did it the first time. But, for some reason, he choose to come back and reinstate Widewing's and Ack-ack's posts in the argument and just delete mine.   Not even an attempt at honest and fair application of the rules, the second time around.

    Rules that aren't applied fairly aren't really rules at all.  Just a form of power display.  Since they aren't rules, they must not apply to me.  When they're applied fairly, I'll abide by them.

  Start the office pool on how long this post lasts.
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« Reply #95 on: November 18, 2005, 06:59:12 PM »
Calling you inexperienced is hardly an insult.  If you feel that it is then I would  highly recommend you develop a little thicker skin.

I actually found Widewing's post about McCambell to be very interesting in a "What if..." kind of way.  It's sad that you felt otherwise because it did open an interesting debate but again, your lack of a thick skin precluded you from contributing anything significant.


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« Reply #96 on: November 18, 2005, 07:08:46 PM »
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Calling you inexperienced is hardly an insult.  If you feel that it is then I would  highly recommend you develop a little thicker skin.

I actually found Widewing's post about McCambell to be very interesting in a "What if..." kind of way.  It's sad that you felt otherwise because it did open an interesting debate but again, your lack of a thick skin precluded you from contributing anything significant.


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  And you really don't see any of the above as insulting?  Amazing.

  The McCampbell post was entirely off-topic.  Interesting?  Absolutely.  We were having a nice discussion about it.  Until I took exception to his and your patronizing and insulting posts and responded in kind. ;)

  If my post about you being shot down by a first night, fresh out of the box newbie in a spit yesterday was off-topic (as it seems Skuzzy thinks), then so was the McCampbell post.   What, exactly, does your post above have to do with P-38's, much less P-38 nicknames, Ack-ack?  Is it on topic? No.  Is it insulting?  Yes.  Who decides whether something is insulting or not?  The person delivering the insult, or the intended victim?  Does your post above mean that I can decide that calling someone an bellybutton isn't an insult; and therefore - pooof - it isn't an insult?  I don't think so, sport.

  If you were qualified to call me inexperienced in a P-38, then possibly one might deem your posts merely patronizing and not insulting.  But since you proved the opposite yesterday, it can only be seen as insulting.  

  Have a nice day.  

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« Reply #97 on: November 18, 2005, 08:31:00 PM »
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And you really don't see any of the above as insulting?  Amazing.

  The McCampbell post was entirely off-topic.  Interesting?  Absolutely.  We were having a nice discussion about it.  Until I took exception to his and your patronizing and insulting posts and responded in kind. ;)

  If my post about you being shot down by a first night, fresh out of the box newbie in a spit yesterday...

  If you were qualified to call me inexperienced in a P-38, then possibly one might deem your posts merely patronizing and not insulting.  But since you proved the opposite yesterday, it can only be seen as insulting.  

  Have a nice day.  

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What are you talking about?  I only took one flight yesterday that lasted less than 20 minutes which resulted in my landing 7 kills before logging off to hit the sack.  If you're speaking about the other night when I was helping bomb GVs at a Rookie field, the only plane that shot me down was mcappy when he caught me fighting another Rookie and came in for the pick.  The other two deaths were the result of being hit by manned acks and a flak panzie.

If you would like to get better in the P-38, give me a holler and I'll be glad to show you how to fly one in here.  Heck, you might even get good enough that you can turn off the stall limiter (now that was an insult).


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« Reply #98 on: November 18, 2005, 11:13:43 PM »
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What are you talking about?  I only took one flight yesterday that lasted less than 20 minutes which resulted in my landing 7 kills before logging off to hit the sack.  If you're speaking about the other night when I was helping bomb GVs at a Rookie field, the only plane that shot me down was mcappy when he caught me fighting another Rookie and came in for the pick.  The other two deaths were the result of being hit by manned acks and a flak panzie.

If you would like to get better in the P-38, give me a holler and I'll be glad to show you how to fly one in here.  Heck, you might even get good enough that you can turn off the stall limiter (now that was an insult).


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  Do you not fly under the name AKAK? If you don't fly under the name AKAK, then I apologize.

    If you do, then we both know that your statement above was a blatant lie, and so does everyone else over that field.  Including the others not listed who shot you down, in that one field fight.  At that "rookie" field, I shot you down twice.  Once in a C-205 and once in a manned ack.  I also witnessed you being shot down by a brand new player who had only a few minutes before asked how to find a field with people to fight.  I didn't ask what plane he was flying.  We'll assume he was in a spit.  When some of us were laughing about it on the country channel chat, and I asked the others if we should tell him about the rep of the person in the P-38, he said "I shot down some guy in a big-ass plane.  His name was Akak."  At that point a discussion ensued about what might have prompted you to come down from 35K.  The consensus seemed to be you wanted to vulch.  Was that not you? :aok

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« Reply #99 on: November 18, 2005, 11:48:01 PM »
Yes, my in game handle is AKAK.  

As for the attack on the base, the 2nd time I was shot down I thought it was by the flak panzie since I was in the process of bombing it and died on my egress.  If it was you in the C.205, nice cherry pick.  As for the other player's claim...I call BS on that one.  IIRC, there were 2 109's, La7, C.205 and a Spitfire XVI.  The Spitfire never engaged me once during that time, I was engaged by the 2 109s (a G-14 and a F) and the La7.  The C.205 for the most part avoided me as well as the Spitfire XVI.  Nice try though...please come and try again.


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BTW- Offer still stands for me to show you how to fly the P-38 in here if you're interested in getting better in it.  I know it's not as alluring as a manned ack but it's got its good points.
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« Reply #100 on: November 19, 2005, 02:14:25 AM »
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Well skuzzy , this one was stupid !

Will you apply rule #16 if I post : "veni vidi vici" "   L'étoile du Nord" "dieu et mon droit" ?
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« Reply #101 on: November 19, 2005, 04:12:57 AM »
Straffo, maybe you should change part of your sig to read æquitas delenda est?  

  Ack-ack,  there's no point in even discussing it with you.  If you can't even be honest about getting shot down and by whom, then nothing else you say is believable.  I saw that newb shoot you down.  All of us at the field did.  His name was bRrumble or RumbleB or something similar.  I don't know what plane he was flying; but he sure did make it look easy for a guy who was asking newb questions.  And if it feels better for you to call my shooting you down a cherry pick, then more power to you.  We all got a good laugh at your expense on the Rook channel.  Have a nice day.

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