Author Topic: Neat stuff from grunts in Iraq (Read 4101 times)

Eden · « **Reply #15 on:** November 11, 2005, 10:25:47 PM »

Better to fight in their neighborhood then ours.

lazs2 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 11, 2005, 10:29:09 PM »

Kinda funny that our guys would be better off with WWII era weapons...

M1 Garand (M14 is poor copy) 45 auto (9 rounds is plenty and double action is not needed) model 97 or model 12 winchester pump 12 guage or mossberg in riot configuration (super dependable and perfect for room to room stuff) and.... the m3 grease gun or thompson in 45 acp... grease gun is probly better but the thompson is just so darn friggin cool.. BAR would not be too bad either but the crappy m60 would be ok. and of course.... the timeless genius of another of mr Brownings gems... ma duece.

The m16 and varients.. they ***** where they eat. Never a good idea and....The rounds are designed to break at the cannalure making penetration impossible and wounds either minute or spectacular. You can't use the thing as a club either.

The berreta 9mm... the unholy of unholies worthless round in ball ammo... the stupid pistol is suited only for looks on the belt of an MP or something.. real shame to replace something as good as the 1911 with this toy. I would rather have a target 22 pistol like a High Standard and go for head shots..

Just shot the M1 Garand today and a 1911 clone (Kimber).. you really have to shoot good ones to realize just how good these weapons are.

course... I would want a cut down Ruger redhawk revolver in 44 mag and full moon clips or even a Smith custom shop 8 shooter .357 but thats just me... I wouldn't feel bad with a good .45

lazs

Hangtime · « **Reply #17 on:** November 11, 2005, 10:38:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
I disagree, and own several Ar's,one legal Ak-47, one legal Car, and one legal Car converted to 7.62.

The Car is better hands down.

To convert an M14 to todays specs will be a job.

Just convert the Car to 7.62, issue .45 side arms, problem solved.

Take the Car and the AK.. toss 'em both in a mud puddle. Fall on top of 'em. Squirm a round a little. Get up and kick 'em outta the mud puddle into some dirt and sand. Pick 'em up, charge the weapons, and shoot.

Now, tell me again... which is superior?

I'll give yah this tho... I'd take that 7.62 Car over the mattel .223 POS any day of the week.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 11, 2005, 10:39:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
I disagree, and own several Ar's,one legal Ak-47, one legal Car, and one legal Car converted to 7.62.

The Car is better hands down.

To convert an M14 to todays specs will be a job.

Just convert the Car to 7.62, issue .45 side arms, problem solved.

Seems like this is what you guys are talking about. Lots of these mods for M14s now I think.

Just got a Springfield Armory M1A for myself but the short barrel SOCOM etc is what they are pushing.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-socom-ii.shtml

Hangtime · « **Reply #19 on:** November 11, 2005, 10:49:13 PM »

gads.. the prices! ARRGH!

I've got a M1 'metal only' set coming from CMP. Friend of mines got a nice stock and a pile of parts. He's also got a 5 station turrent reloader. I'm gonna have a fun winter building an outstanding rifle and making kick bellybutton ammo.

lazs2 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 11, 2005, 11:00:03 PM »

cops came up to me tuesday... young firearms instructor.. Big grin and says "guess what we are shooting?" dunno I say (the got a bunch of mp5's and m16's from the military)..

"ever hear of a M1 Garand" he says... I told him I owned one and asked where he got one... guess one of the cops dad died and left it to him with a bunch of ammo.. they were out shooting the crap out of it and having a ball... "this frigging thing is unreal... punches holes right through the metal sillouette targets we made for our M16's" says he.. "accurate as hell and ded reliable with crusty old 1960's ammo in rusty clips" He really did look awed that a 60 year old battle rifle could perform so well today.

yep... told him you sissies better be careful hiding behind car doors and little trees when you are ninja'd out and carrying your mattel guns against some guy who knows how to work a Garand.. He lost a little color and agreed.

Won't be long before the girly men socialists are seeking bans on hunting rifle calibers.

lazs

Maverick · « **Reply #21 on:** November 11, 2005, 11:32:58 PM »

I specified 2 round burst because of the recoil issue. More than 2 rounds in 7.62 nato (.308) is really wasted as it is no where near on target. Secondary issue is for ability to lay down fire and still maintain some fire discipline. When it comes down to it you can supress fire with a garand if you are facing bolt action rifles. It is much harder against something like the AK's with their largert ammo capacity and cyclic rate over time. The M-14 means more rounds per loading and you can top up the mag in a M-14 unlike the Garand. Ammo in the larger rifles (like the M-1 or M-14) is heavier and takes up more space. Don't get me wrong, I love the garand and it is my favorite battle rifle to shoot. I just don't think it's a better choice over the M-14.

Laz, having put more than a few rounds through the grease gun, I have to agree it's a better battle weapon than the Thompson. The .45 has no penetration however for shooting into walls for barricaded enemy.

As to the tactical sling, it is a 2 way street. If your back is not totally secure you are giving someone a weapon and or a neat handle to use against you. It's a decent compromise but for real close contact where you will have to "lay hands" on someone a pistol is a better choice. You can holster it one handed and get the job done.

I like a pistol grip on a short rifle as it allows you to fire one handed easier than a straight stock. It also allows for better leverage in handling the weapon.

Hangtime · « **Reply #22 on:** November 12, 2005, 12:09:30 AM »

I'm just not much of a fan of 'pistol grips'.. prolly because big bore rifles with pistol grips are as useless as tits on bulls.

Medium cased rifles like the AK are pretty much just noisemkers in auto mode fired single handed from the pistol grip... but can be fired very well from a sling in spray 'n pray mode. I don't know of any big bore short barreled combat rifles that can be fired accurately single handedly.

I guess my objection swings on 'aimed fire' vs 'supressive fire'.. and that's all about training troops real aimed fire rifle skills in addition to the Fire and Manuver tactics that favor unaimed massive fire volume. Since our current squad weapons selections favor lotsa lil bullets flying all over the place, medium range heavy caliber precision fire weapons and skills have pretty much dissapeared from modern US combat units.

Squirt n' scoot (fire and manuver) tends to require a lot more little rifles spraying little bullets to obtain the desired end results.

bj229r · « **Reply #23 on:** November 12, 2005, 02:51:13 AM »

I read Col. David Hackworth's autobiography some time back ("Steel My Soldiers' Hearts) I'm sure if that man told me to charge a machine gun nest with a Bowie knife, I'd have done it. Anyhow, when trying to explain to a reporter or something what we were facing in Vietnam, he motioned over to a rifle butt sticking out of the dried mud (this had been the site of a battle some months before) pulled out an AK47 from the earth, shook most of the dirt off, squeezed the trigger, and proceeded to fire the remainder of its clip. Don't think tightly-engineered M16 ever do that

AWMac · « **Reply #24 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:04:52 AM »

I love my Mossberg 12 gauge pump with slugs...

Leaves nice holes.

Mac

Nilsen · « **Reply #25 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:31:36 AM »

Our military recently announced that they are keeping the G3 rifles for the majority of the army and national guard troops. They are modifying it with "rails" for optical sights and other stuff. The new assaultrifles that we are getting for the rest of the military will be either a variant of the Diemaco C8 or G36 or prolly a mix of both. These are/will be used by special forces and those that need smaller/lighter weapons like those riding around in APC's.

The G3 (or AG3 as our version is called) is a fantastic weapon. Very reliable and uses the 7.62 round that gives it range and stopping power. Works in the dirt and cold too without jamming. Only bad thing really is that it takes a while to train yourself into taking it apart and putting it back together in the dark etc... the thing has over 100 parts!! Its also heavy so you cant walk around with the same ammount of ammo as you can with the G36/C8.

Modified AG3 at work in Kabul

AWMac · « **Reply #26 on:** November 12, 2005, 05:02:17 AM »

Besides it's always better to have a nice trained guard dog!

Holy Chit, Sam is a good lap dog.

Gettin into the Christmas Spirit.

Hugs!

lada · « **Reply #27 on:** November 12, 2005, 05:49:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Eden
Look in my hands and see the choice of weapons I made (my other options were M-16 and M-9)

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Although in all honesty the M-16 was more for the crew. It was this over my 9mm.

This AK had been through alot before I got my hands on it. I picked it up and shook the dirt off and it fired just fine. Kept it until we found a chache of new MP-5s in mummy wrap. Easy choice of which one to picke there.

I were just looking for picture like this, to show how big technological supperiority US have

Jackal1 · « **Reply #28 on:** November 12, 2005, 07:45:43 AM »

I agree that it is sort of interesting to see some of the old "tryed and true" weapons still regain their awesome status over some of the high tech stuff.
The Garand was, is and will remain a totaly awesome piece of work in the firearms world.
My Dad praised the B.A.R. regularly. He latched on to one in WWII and never let go. He credited this weapon to the saving of his own life and many others repeatedly in conversations about his experiences.

Hangtime · « **Reply #29 on:** November 12, 2005, 08:50:01 AM »

Lada, you muck-raked ****, have a look at the guy in the picture. He and his squaddies killed the rag-headed POS that had that AK. The most dangerous weapon in the field is a determined well trained soldier. A determined well trained soldier will adapt to the enemys weapons and when or where they are deemed superior to his own he will utilize them.

Jackal, I hardly recognize todays platoon and squad weapons... My M-14, BAR, M-60, LAW.. all gone. Even the helmet, uniform, boots, pack, webgear... all changed. In their place are sophisticated weapons to be sure.. but not necessarily better weapons in the field. Seems like every time our kids get into combat, the stuff that hits hard; fast and dependably is ressurected for service. Hell even when I served there was a guy on our security detail carrying a 1903 Springfield with a scope. Go figure.