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« Reply #60 on: November 17, 2005, 11:19:12 AM »
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I think they should just release few barrels of anthrax to the US and tell you got what you asked for :)

 I think you should volunteer for security work in Iraq, and throw yourself on a ied :aok

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« Reply #61 on: November 17, 2005, 11:36:32 AM »
There will NEVER be peace in the Middle East unless we (USA) become a Moslem nation and support their views (what ever they are this week). Not to mention the separation of church\state will have to go.
 They will not like or want us around until this happens. Whether we are over there or here they will do anything to KILL all others that do not agree with there views. This is not an oil thing; it has been going on long before anyone knew there was oil under the sand.
 As for WMD. Every country has a WMD program. The USA, China, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Swaziland, Cuba, Peru. Every country has them. Every country wants them. Where they might not have nukes, they will have others. Those who say they do not are the ones to watch.
 We are going to fight, (and we can do nothing can stop that) let it be over there. Right or wrong you take the fight to the enemy. You kill them, destroy there cities or…….


Year 2075
 The election results are in for the country (no names here). The Peoples front for the liberation of toilets has been elected to the leadership. They now control the government and the military.
 All terrors attack against our country by them has stopped. Peace. The countries to the north and south still will not change their views on the right of toilets everywhere.

News flash!
 In the country to the north there was a terrors attack on 2 public bathrooms 100’s killed and wounded. The country to the north said in the United Nations general assembly that the terrors cam from our country. We responded that they were not in any way controlled by us and that the “Freedom Fighters” are acting on their own.

The attacks soon spread to the south country. And peace is over.


Well,
 That peace lasted about 10 min. They will not like us until we adopt their worldview and give up the freedoms we enjoy here now. We will like them when they stop killing us for what we believe.
 If in the next year, some one finds the ultimate power source that runs cars, heats homes and powers everything and uses no oil. We no longer need the oil from them. We no longer have an interest in there countries, they will still kill us.

The war, as with most wars is about freedom to choose. As to what those freedoms are, it just depends whose side you’re on. Does anyone really believe the Chinese are going to let Moslems (good or bad) in to there country to spread their faith?

This world sucks. I have been in the military (22 years) and every president has attacked somebody. In the future lets all play a game. If you’re going to say something bad about the war because the war is bad, do it. If you’re going to say something about the war because you do not like the current president start your message, “I hate the president because”.

We need to get this stuff down to the root cause.

You either like the current president or you do not. That is all it is.
As for the war, all wars are bad, but it is much better to have the war on their land than ours.
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« Reply #62 on: November 17, 2005, 12:18:30 PM »
You guys still believe WMD's will be found?  Come on.

I give you an A+ for loyalty but a D- for facing reality.

The reality is that in 20 years, your grand children or great grand children will be reading in the history books that the second gulf war was started with a lie.
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« Reply #63 on: November 17, 2005, 03:09:22 PM »
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There will NEVER be peace in the Middle East unless we (USA) become a Moslem nation and support their views (what ever they are this week).


There will be a peace in ME when all participants will figure out the other option will cost too much. Problem is some countries are occupying areas belonging other nations and are also practising apartheid.
As long as that continues there will be nutcases who are using that for their own benefit.
Problem with US is that for decades you vetoed all UN sanctions against Israel and practically speaking gave them free hands. Now you reap what you sew and even if couple of your presidents have been trying to help the peace negotiations it's not easy when people in ME see you as Israels ally.

Tell me... why aren't there American UN troops between Israel and Lebanon or in Golan Heights? Would it be too dangerous for your troops to receive gun fire from Israeli tanks?

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« Reply #64 on: November 17, 2005, 03:18:58 PM »
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You guys still believe WMD's will be found?  Come on.

I give you an A+ for loyalty but a D- for facing reality.

The reality is that in 20 years, your grand children or great grand children will be reading in the history books that the second gulf war was started with a lie.


Just like the Gulf of Tonkin.

Had nixon admitted his mistakes, he probably would have survived the investigation. Seems these Boosh apologists are unwilling, or unable, to see that most of the country totally disagrees with current policy towards Iraq as well as the mishandling of the information leading up to the war.

I'm guessing that when Bush tells the media he saw the Loch ness Monster doing a texas-two step in the Rose Garden, Ripsnort will cut and paste it on these BBs as gospel truth:lol

Gunslinger and nuke will fall predictably in line (minus the Tillman avatar, since it's now yesterdays news and all that faux sympathy is now a thing of the past) :cry

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« Reply #65 on: November 17, 2005, 03:26:00 PM »
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Gunslinger and nuke will fall predictably in line (minus the Tillman avatar, since it's now yesterdays news and all that faux sympathy is now a thing of the past) :cry


hey if you choose to ignore facts and revise history to fit an agenda by all means go ahead and try.

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« Reply #66 on: November 17, 2005, 03:26:14 PM »
Tenet served through the end of the Clinton administration and well into the term of George W. Bush.

Tenet privately lent his personal authority to the intelligence reports about Weapons of Mass Destruction WMDs in Iraq. At a meeting on December 12, 2002 he is said to have assured the President that the evidence against Saddam amounted to a "slam dunk case,"

So if the same CIA director whom gave Clinton intel gave the same intel to the Bush Adminstration which lead to their statements and actions of war, what now makes them liars but not the Clinton Admin.

I don’t think either admin Lied, I do think the Intel was not complet at best, wrong at worst.  

Now  the liberal bias media (CNN, CBS,NBC,ABC,MSNBC,AP,BBC et.al.)  Gasp at how low Bush’s trustworthly numbers have fallen. No friging kinding his numbers are down you buttnuts have been calling him a liar for four years. With no prospective to what  was prevoiuse said.

So lets see, George Tenet was Clinton’s CIA director, the CIA  gathered threat assisments which promted The Clinton Adminastration to make the following statements and take the following action.

http://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html
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President Clinton explains Iraq strike Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. British forces join them. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.
He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq. The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ...  It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
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« Reply #67 on: November 17, 2005, 03:28:27 PM »
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There will be a peace in ME when all participants will figure out the other option will cost too much. Problem is some countries are occupying areas belonging other nations and are also practising apartheid.


Oh come on Staga, Al Qaeda doesn't even claim to have attacked the United States because of their support of Israel, they have stated they attacked the USA because of their continued presence on the Sacred Arabian Peninsula.

Their stated goals are to drive the infidels (that includes you my friend, not just us) out of the Dar-El-Islam, and then bring the Jihad to you, that you may no longer live in "the land of war" but that all men might dwell in the land of peace under the benevolent rule of a Caliph who rules according to Sharia.

The Muslim Brotherhood, of which Al-Qaeda and Hamas are merely sub-groups, was founded before the creation of Israel. Also, if this is all about American support of Israel, why are Al Qaeda cells and other Jihadists targeting Buddhists in Thailand and Christians in Indonesia? How would the US withdrawing all support for Israel end the Jihad in Sudan, Nigeria, Indonesia, Chechnya, Macedonia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Thailand, etc.

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« Reply #68 on: November 17, 2005, 03:29:31 PM »
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=\SpecialReports\archive\200410\SPE20041004a.html

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 a former weapons inspector with the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), a retired CIA counter-terrorism official with vast experience dealing with Iraq, and a former advisor to then-presidential candidate Bill Clinton on Iraq - were asked to analyze the documents. All said they comport with the format, style and content of other Iraqi documents from that era known to be genuine.

Laurie Mylroie, who authored the book, "Study of Revenge: Saddam Hussein's Unfinished War against America," and advised Clinton on Iraq during the 1992 presidential campaign, told CNSNews.com that the papers represent "the most complete set of documents relating Iraq to terrorism, including Islamic terrorism" against the U.S.
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« Reply #69 on: November 17, 2005, 05:43:48 PM »
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You are aware that your governments own investigation indicated that the WMD were destroyed long before the invasion, right?


im not sure.... there is some anlysis....
half of the poeple who read it concluded, that Iraqi WMD can be deployed in 45 mins.
Second half of the people concluded, that Iraq doesnt have WMD.

So if somebody made mistake, it was just "bad conclusion with goodness in the mind" and nobody is responsible.


maybe reports from Inteligence are released under GPL and thats why there are so many diferent interpretations :D

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« Reply #70 on: November 17, 2005, 08:50:39 PM »
I hear an interesting take on Iraq a couple weeks ago.

the Main WMD was found when we captured Saddam.

Saddam himself is a WMD as it was by his order the WMDs that were used , were used and if used again there it would have also been, by his order.

Myself personally I still think he had them and somehow hid or got rid of them. Possibly  or rather probably with the help of other nations before the invasion.

I think it would be quite nieve if not outright stupid of us to think he had suddenly decided to turn over a new leaf and give it all up. It just wasnt his style.
He was a gambler
I think he counted on getting sanctions lifted and when the US threatened to invade he figured the UN would be able to stop us. Then when it became obvious we were comming in no matter what he managed to get rid of them. He certainly had enough time. And as I mentioned before he probably had the help of other nations looking to gain something politically
The idea being that us comming in would serve several purposes.

When we found no WMDs it would make us look like fools and loose credibility in the world.

That being done he would then be able to claim the invasion wase flse and he would then be able to re assume his role as the leader of Iraq.

In his mind it would make him a hero in the Islamic world again having stoood up to the US.

Even if killed he would be considered a martyr and thus cement his place in Islamic history

I think he counted on the help of these other countries after the invasion to place him back in power. and that part went wrong. at least so far as the trial isnt over yet.

these other countries main interest was in redicing the clout the US had in the world. that purpose having been met they really dont give a damn what happens to Saddam. one way or the other.

But all in all as I mentioned on several other threads I was an am for the war WMDs or no WMDs. "Because its tuesday" was a good enough reason for me.
Far as Im concerned the attempted assasination attempt on Bush Sr. and the bombings of the barracks in Saudi Arabia after Gulf War I were in themselves an act of war against the United States

It also has other benifits.
It places an american presence in the area and reduces our dependancy on Isreal in being our eyes and ears of the middle east.
No offence to any Isrealies. By and large from what I've seen your all decent people.  But as our Thomas Jefferson once said "the United States should always put her own interests first and not maintain permanant alliances"
I happen to agree with that And with all due respect  Isreal is as much  liability to us as it is an asset Not to mention I personally dont agree with some of its politics. But thats another debate.

And lastly but not least. It puts us where the oil is.
Thats right. Im not going ot make beleive thats not part of it nor am I ashamed  or shy about admitting it.

OIL is not only in our national interests it IS our national interest.
It is absolutely vital to our interests. and for the moment there is no substitute So bottom line is we have to be able to insure getting reguardless of how we go about it.

Naysayers kid yourselves not about its importance and think about how mucxh screaming you would be doing without everything from gas for your car, to the keyboard you type on to those ever present appendages we call cell phones people just cant live without thesedays.
to the food you eat to the clothing you wear
Cause without a ready suppply of oil you will either not have it or not be able to afford it.

Everything, Everything is dependant on oil now. Unless you really want to go back to frming on your backyards. knitting your own clothes and doing the horse and buggy bit
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« Reply #71 on: November 17, 2005, 09:00:09 PM »
My view on the matter is that we had no choice but to invade Iraq, based on all the intelligence, Saddam's past history and 9/11 lessons learned about not acting on threats.

We didn't find WMD, but that doesn't change the fact that before the invasion, we only had the compelling intelligence of not only the US, but of the UK, France, Russia, Germany,Israel and others, plus Saddam's past and the 9/11 lessons to go by.

Now that we have comitted, I want to see this through and I wish All Americans would stand behind the troops and the mission.

Some say that people like me are blindly supporting Bush, and that's off the mark. A lot of people like me are supporting OUR nation in a time of war.

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« Reply #72 on: November 17, 2005, 09:02:36 PM »
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My view on the matter is that we had no choice but to invade Iraq, based on all the intelligence, Saddam's past history and 9/11 lessons learned about not acting on threats.
 


According to the latest Zogby polls, you're probably in the minority these days.
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« Reply #73 on: November 17, 2005, 09:11:02 PM »
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According to the latest Zogby polls, you're probably in the minority these days.


Time has a funny way of doing that.

In hindsight we all know it all
Pretty easy to predict the past

Wonder how those polls would have read  if all that info and intel if presented on 9/12
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« Reply #74 on: November 17, 2005, 09:20:19 PM »
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Time has a funny way of doing that.

In hindsight we all know it all
Pretty easy to predict the past

Wonder how those polls would have read  if all that info and intel if presented on 9/12


True enough, but there's a few of us around here that thought Iraq was a mistake from the very beginning.
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