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Offline wrag

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109s seem nuetered now?
« on: November 20, 2005, 02:44:13 AM »
Any opinions.

Here are some of mine.  Haven't flown allot so..........  what I think I saw is.....


My opinion is the 109k4 is slower then the g10, even a g10 with gonds, OR the pony is now a little faster then before that last patch.  Before this patch I had little trouble catching a pony, or a Typh, in a g10 if we were co-E on the deck.  Now seems like the ponys can keep distance or even extend on the deck against 109k4 or g14? :(

Spit16 seems to generally climb with the k4 for abit.  Although seems a good long bit sometimes.  Perhaps that is historic?  I don't know.

The G14 seems a slow "dog" with our without gonds and almost same as flying a g6 even with wep on :(

Think I would perfer losing the g14 and gettin back the g10 but thinkin they fm would be about the same :(

Hmm g14 has the g6 rudder?  k4 has a larger rudder?

30mm no gonds on k4 is unhistoric?????  didn't they arrive with gonds installed?

109s seem nuetered now.  Seems the little they had to recommend em is ??????????

If this was done for TOD I don't know if i'll care to fly LW for it.

Oh Well just my opinion and that opinion not given with allot of flyin done, so if i'm way off sorry.
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2005, 01:27:10 PM »
I agree they feel nutured. The K4 has about the same speed as the G10 at the deck but acceleration feels slower. P51's and most other planes can get away from me now. Spit 16's are extremely hard for me to catch and they actually outrun me most of the time if we both have the same starting speed.

No, I don't fly the K4 (or any other 109) with a DT at the moment.

The 190's have been porked for along time but fun to fly anyway untill the view was porked. The "The view is the best yet seen by this unit" that the RAF put in the test report about the 190 makes no sense if it was this bad.

And yes. you may call me a luftwhiner, I don't care.

As for the Spit 16 Wrag, it did have a great climbrate.

No point discussin the "issues" though. It will just turn in to another whine/flame thread which will eventually be closed and no changes nor any progress will be made.
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2005, 02:39:24 PM »
You can always fly the Bf-110, it is an excellent air to air fighter in Aces High!!

All the best,

Crumpp
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2005, 03:07:01 PM »
Yeah it is, like all twins.
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2005, 05:46:14 PM »
It's got a select few excellent skins, as well. I like the Iraq skin (i've got a different Iraq skin being processed now) but I also like the tan one I made. I find myself flying the desert tan skin mostly.
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2005, 08:13:07 PM »
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You can always fly the Bf-110, it is an excellent air to air fighter in Aces High!!

All the best,

Crumpp


LOL imagine if we get Me-410, now that would be the best A2A and A2G fighter after 110, 190, and 109s(in Luft category;)) in AH!
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2005, 09:59:07 PM »
well, wilbus... here's the lw whining thread.  :noid


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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2005, 10:29:48 PM »
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here's the lw whining thread.


Sure Shane, that's exactly what it is....

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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2005, 10:42:39 PM »
Do luftwaffe planes just *suck*

OR

ALL flight sim games such as this or FA/WB cant model LW planes correctly

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« Last Edit: November 20, 2005, 11:03:56 PM by tikky »
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2005, 11:09:24 PM »
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ALL flight sim games such as this or FA/WB are not being modeled correctly


It looks to me like it is a lack of data, tikky.


Many people assume that the FW-190:

1.  Gained a ton of weight

2.  Engine power stayed the same

3.  Allied data is more correct than the German data.

All are incorrect.  The FW190 series gained less weight than many more familiar designs such as the Spitfire or the P 51 series.  It gained as much horsepower or more than many designs as well.

AH FW-190 gain almost as much weight between the FW190A5 and FW-190A8 as the entire series did from FW-190A0 thru FW-190A9 in real life.

On the data, facts are the German data is built on hard science and not propaganda.  When one becomes familiar with the details of the design it is easy to see the maintenance mistakes the allies make in their testing.  Allied test's are good examples of "at least" performance not "best" or even "average" performance.  The "average" performance can be found in the manufacturers performance numbers from the production trials.

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Crumpp
« Last Edit: November 20, 2005, 11:16:42 PM by Crumpp »
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2005, 07:50:24 AM »
"The 190's have been porked for along time but fun to fly anyway untill the view was porked. The "The view is the best yet seen by this unit" that the RAF put in the test report about the 190 makes no sense if it was this bad."

Maybe they were comparing it to the Spitfire's forward view? ;)
http://212.213.161.215/kauppa/SpitBW.jpg

The view is also affected by the general attitude of the a/c in flight which, for 190, should be slightly nose down.

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« Last Edit: November 21, 2005, 08:02:49 AM by Charge »
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2005, 07:55:53 AM »
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It looks to me like it is a lack of data, tikky.


Many people assume that the FW-190:

1.  Gained a ton of weight
 


Many people confuse  the 190A8 and the 190A8/R8
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2005, 11:45:41 AM »
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It looks to me like it is a lack of data, tikky.

This makes sense.  You'll have to search pretty hard to find real-life accounts of US or British pilots who thought that the German machines were crap.

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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2005, 12:01:50 PM »
Believe they were comparing it to anything they had tested or seen up to that date.

Yes Shane, and I will use it as such, to vent :)
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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2005, 07:22:40 PM »
Um, in real life, G-10 could & did outrun Mustang D below 15.000 ft. So said Eric Hartmann.
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