Author Topic: What happened to LW? (Read 23149 times)

Crumpp · « **Reply #495 on:** December 16, 2005, 08:38:53 PM »

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I think you are simply seeing the effects of what the aircraft "could" do vs. what the pilots/planes "did" do in real life.

I think your full of it and don't want the game to change from the easy kills you get now.

All the best,

Crumpp

Apar · « **Reply #496 on:** December 17, 2005, 06:35:02 AM »

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pilots didn't pull 6g+ corners on a whim

With a real enemy plane closing in on your six, firing real projectiles, you'll pull anything to get out of it alife. WWII was not a game, where you could up a brand new plane once killed in action.

Kev367th · « **Reply #497 on:** December 17, 2005, 08:48:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
I have to agree with Wilbus on this one goob....

You state that the K-4 is uber. I wonder how much you fly it (if at all), because it is far from uber. It climbs like a bat outta hell, sure, but it's unstable compared to the G10 and the 30mm-only armament has basically defanged it as a fighter craft. It can climb... It can only run for a short time... It can evade... But that's all it can do. It can rarely ever get kills. Uber? No. Good climb with no bite = space shuttle... might be fun to ride but you won't get any kills in it.

Strange, K4 is the highest scoring and most used 109 last tour -
Kill10872
Deaths 7914
K/D 1.3736

This tour its the 109 pack leader again.
Kills 3235
Deaths 2214
K/D 1.4605

Someones getting kills in it.

The problem is the K4 is as about as much suited to the MA low alt furballs as the Spit XIV.
In other words - they aren't.

Crumpp · « **Reply #498 on:** December 17, 2005, 09:56:23 AM »

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This tour its the 109 pack leader again.

Of course it is, it is the late war 109 and people will fly it in the MA.

These "statistics" are not very useful for determining individual plane performance.

Like the guy who post's his K/D stats for the FW-190.

Come on, if you fly the FW-190 as AH models it, you are not going to dogfight. You will fly around at high speed, menacing the unsuspecting. It's is about as timid and boring an aircraft as you can get without becoming a transport.

So unless your not smart and you lose SA, your going to fly home. Least I only die in it when I lose SA and allow someone above me.

Facts are though that is not what FW-190's did in reality. They were employed and used as air superiority fighters.

All the best,

Crumpp

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #499 on:** December 17, 2005, 12:56:36 PM »

I don't know if the Fw is quite that timid, but it is pretty much at the bottom of the MA food chain. If you're in a Fw you have to worry about having more planes do more things better than you than just about any other ride. If you get in any way greedy when flying a Fw, odds are you don't make it home. And with all the Hozooka-armed planes out there, the Fw's guns aren't even anything special.

Sure, you can do well in it. A good player can do well in anything. And if you optimize your play to vultching and cherry-picking, you can run up some nice streaks if you don't get greedy. But, same is true with a Tiffy, P47, etc.

I still don't think it's completely porked, though. Just a few things need to be looked at to make it a threat again: the snap stall, acceleration, and maybe the 20mm's (cuz it sure takes a pile of 'em to kill anything).

Wilbus · « **Reply #500 on:** December 17, 2005, 01:04:55 PM »

DoKGonzo said it pretty Well I think. It has been mentioned before, much of why people think LW rides are undemodelled are because they are all armed with freaking pea-shooters (ok and even shorter ranged, though hard hitting, taters).

Oh, btw...

500.

Mr No Name · « **Reply #501 on:** December 19, 2005, 11:29:42 PM »

it took 8 tater HITS for me to flame a lanc engine in 109K4 last week (No, i wasnt firing cowl guns at the same time)

Krusty · « **Reply #502 on:** December 20, 2005, 12:22:50 AM »

I put 5-7 30mms all in the same spot on the rear fuselage of a lanc (halfway between wings and stabs) and nothing. Nope wasn't firing MGs.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #503 on:** December 20, 2005, 12:45:46 AM »

Just out of curiousity, were these firing runs done offline or online?

Stang · « **Reply #504 on:** December 20, 2005, 02:14:06 AM »

P51 out accelerates the D9 in Ah, wtf.

1K3 · « **Reply #505 on:** December 20, 2005, 02:25:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Stang
P51 out accelerates the D9 in Ah, wtf.

no

all 190s in AH right now out-accelerates the P51s and P47 in a SPRINT. The problem with 190s in AH is manuverability at medium speeds. try to turn 190s at 300 mph TAS and you'll notice that the right wing would drop. In p51 you can yank n bank like a spitfire/a6m now. ridiculous.

Krusty · « **Reply #506 on:** December 20, 2005, 11:56:22 AM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Just out of curiousity, were these firing runs done offline or online?

Online, got it on film.

Kev367th · « **Reply #507 on:** December 20, 2005, 12:03:25 PM »

As has been pointed out numerous times -
Control runs etc are not modelled in any planes, therefore firing at a buffs fuselage is pretty pointless, no matter what guns you have. (had worse than what your describing with a much longer sustained burst on buffs fuselage from Tiffy 4x20mm)
Best way to down a buff still is to hit the wintips, add to that the engines now they all seem to catch fire so easily.

The damage model is the one area that seems to be lagging compared to the rest of the game.

Krusty · « **Reply #508 on:** December 20, 2005, 12:22:42 PM »

Well, AH has parts modeled so that "Take xxxx damage" and they go "pop"... I am fairly certain NO part of any bomber can take 7x 30mm rounds and yet not reach the "pop"ping point.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #509 on:** December 20, 2005, 12:45:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Online, got it on film.

Hmmm ... I'm wondering just how much lethality is defanged online vs. the default for offline.