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Offline Furious

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« on: November 29, 2005, 11:48:32 AM »
Why not engage?  

Why not engage after you have "extended" to 3.5?  

Why not engage when you have the advantage (altitude, speed, aircraft performance, etc.)

If you are heavy otw to target, ok, I get that.  If you have 5 guys behind you, ok, I get that.  But the ultra timid flyer running when the cards are stacked in his favour, that I don't get.

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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2005, 11:51:14 AM »
Score mongers coupled with poor pilots who will never get better because all they can do is run and look for AFK planes on climbout.

My guess anyways.
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2005, 11:56:56 AM »
Well, on the last map before this one, there was always a big fight over 41. Every time I'd go out there, there's be 50+ enemy cons heading South to the island field (52?). I'd come from 44, so have a bit of time to climb out. I'd arrive over water near 41 at 10k (not too high), and see no less than 2 dozen low-alt cons heading S. Seeing that I'm usually in a 190a5 there's no way in hell I'm trading my safety to go into instant death at the hands of no less than 5 LAs, 6 spits, assorted 38s and 51s and even though those 3x formations of b24s are tempting I'd never survive to even get into guns range. In THAT instance I'm just going to turn back home, descend, come in lower and try to lure a small chunk of the horde off (say, just 5-6 planes) that I might someday, if I'm having the best day of my life, be able to cope with.

Sometimes they're not running from you, sometimes they're running from all the friends you have with you.


Other times they're just LA7 dweebs that don't bother engaging.

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Re: Chases High
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2005, 11:59:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Furious
Why not engage?  

Why not engage after you have "extended" to 3.5?  

Why not engage when you have the advantage (altitude, speed, aircraft performance, etc.)

If you are heavy otw to target, ok, I get that.  If you have 5 guys behind you, ok, I get that.  But the ultra timid flyer running when the cards are stacked in his favour, that I don't get.


Because the reward in the game has become the "attaboys" for landing a bunch of vulch kills, along with the 'score' and the perks.

The reward isn't to get locked into a fight that you might die in, because you won't get an "attaboy' for dying if you make a mistake.

Kinda sad really
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Offline Elyeh

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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2005, 12:01:47 PM »
I say its alot of new pilots not really sure of what to do. I know when I first started in the MA I kinda just flew around watching and learning. Didnt want to engage in case I did something "wrong" . Wasent really sure about all the rules and such.

Who knows?

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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2005, 12:03:36 PM »
Guppy to me the reward is to get home safely. Even if I have only 5 assists and no kills. Even if I never fired a shot (sadly that happens a lot). The reward for me is that "you have successfully landed" notice. Hey if I get a score once in a while that's great. Rarely do I get "wtfg" when I get a few kills, and I don't mind/care.  I think people get carried away with that mentality. The score notice is nice, but it only means something to the pilot that earned it. Every time I see "xxxx landed 12 victories of an f4u1c" I think "how much of those were vulches?". And I'm probably right. On the other hand, when *I* see my name saying 4 victories, I can say "3 of those I earned!" to myself. So the score should stay, I like it enough for that, but my main reason for the mission is to go out, engage the enemy, and return safely. I will limp home for a sector, glide 20 miles with a dead engine from 15k, ditch gear up so I don't slide off the runway, all when I've got no kills to "display".

But then I might be the odd duck.

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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2005, 12:05:39 PM »
My reward is fame, fortune, and hot women!

Thanks, Aces High!!!

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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2005, 12:07:42 PM »
So... you're still waiting for the reward, then?

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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2005, 12:07:47 PM »
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Rarely do I get "wtfg" when I get a few kills

That's because nobody likes you. :huh

Amen Furious.... it is getting old.

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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2005, 12:09:51 PM »
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My reward is fame, fortune, and hot women!

Thanks, Aces High!!!

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:lol



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Offline Krusty

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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2005, 12:10:33 PM »
Hot men? Very few. Lukewarm boys? Gobs of 'em, mostly in the MA >:D

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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2005, 12:31:48 PM »
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Guppy to me the reward is to get home safely. Even if I have only 5 assists and no kills. Even if I never fired a shot (sadly that happens a lot). The reward for me is that "you have successfully landed" notice. Hey if I get a score once in a while that's great. Rarely do I get "wtfg" when I get a few kills, and I don't mind/care.  I think people get carried away with that mentality. The score notice is nice, but it only means something to the pilot that earned it. Every time I see "xxxx landed 12 victories of an f4u1c" I think "how much of those were vulches?". And I'm probably right. On the other hand, when *I* see my name saying 4 victories, I can say "3 of those I earned!" to myself. So the score should stay, I like it enough for that, but my main reason for the mission is to go out, engage the enemy, and return safely. I will limp home for a sector, glide 20 miles with a dead engine from 15k, ditch gear up so I don't slide off the runway, all when I've got no kills to "display".

But then I might be the odd duck.


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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2005, 12:33:43 PM »
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Guppy to me the reward is to get home safely. Even if I have only 5 assists and no kills. Even if I never fired a shot (sadly that happens a lot). The reward for me is that "you have successfully landed" notice. Hey if I get a score once in a while that's great. Rarely do I get "wtfg" when I get a few kills, and I don't mind/care.  I think people get carried away with that mentality. The score notice is nice, but it only means something to the pilot that earned it. Every time I see "xxxx landed 12 victories of an f4u1c" I think "how much of those were vulches?". And I'm probably right. On the other hand, when *I* see my name saying 4 victories, I can say "3 of those I earned!" to myself. So the score should stay, I like it enough for that, but my main reason for the mission is to go out, engage the enemy, and return safely. I will limp home for a sector, glide 20 miles with a dead engine from 15k, ditch gear up so I don't slide off the runway, all when I've got no kills to "display".

But then I might be the odd duck.


I'd agree with you in a scenario, where living makes a difference.  The MA is what it is and my dying while trying to get better is a better reward then landing.  Sometimes I actually win the fight too which feels even better.

Does that mean I never land?  Nope.  If the fight dries up and I'm still alive, or if the ammo is gone, I'll go home, but since no one really dies and planes are free, I might as well take a shot even if it's me that ends up in little pieces, which happens more often then not :)

I'm not telling you how to fly the game btw. That's your call.  But I do believe the emphasis for way too many is to see their name in lights with those 8 vulches attached.

I don't know that it will ever change either, but to each his own.
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2005, 12:35:57 PM »
what Sand said.

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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2005, 12:46:37 PM »
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I'd agree with you in a scenario, where living makes a difference.  The MA is what it is and my dying while trying to get better is a better reward then landing.  Sometimes I actually win the fight too which feels even better.

Does that mean I never land?  Nope.  If the fight dries up and I'm still alive, or if the ammo is gone, I'll go home, but since no one really dies and planes are free, I might as well take a shot even if it's me that ends up in little pieces, which happens more often then not :)

I'm not telling you how to fly the game btw. That's your call.  But I do believe the emphasis for way too many is to see their name in lights with those 8 vulches attached.

I don't know that it will ever change either, but to each his own.


Even in the MA, flying to live is the only way to go for some of us. With this mindset, I get more excitement than I would if I didn't care about dying. Scenarios just heighten the excitement because no one is fighting simply for the sake of fighting. There's an objective and more than just notional penalties for failure.
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