has anyone flown the 190A5 lately?

[Wilbus]

But Grits and Glasses I thought that had been said already?

Krusty said eraly on

Neg, it's not the A5 that's changed. It's the SpitV. A5 outperforms the V a bit better now. Other than that, it's the same 190 we've had since the last major patch (when the 190s were redone I mean)

Basicly the same thing but people didn't quite buy it

[Grits]

since the last major patch (when the 190s were redone I mean)

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I didnt buy it because I dont think it changed even in the last patch other than 3D model. They have not changed and they sure as hell are not changing daily as some say.

[Crumpp]

I didnt buy it because I dont think it changed even in the last patch other than 3D model. They have not changed and they sure as hell are not changing daily as some say.

Grits it is possible in the CT to change the stall characteristics of all the aircraft.  It's been done before during scenarios.

Now I asked if it had been done this time.  The CT volunteers said no.  However there was a definate stability to the FW-190 which did not exist before.  As the CT developed problems, I did not get to check 1G level stall speeds in the CT.  The test in the main showed that there were not changes in that arena to the FM.

All the best,

Crumpp

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Crumpp
Grits it is possible in the CT to change the stall characteristics of all the aircraft.  It's been done before during scenarios.

Not to be irritating, but this is the first I've heard of this.  Would be interested to hear how to do it.

- oldman

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Wilbus
Krusty said eraly on  

Basicly the same thing but people didn't quite buy it

Nobody wuvs me

[Wilbus]

Originally posted by Krusty
Nobody wuvs me

I wuv you

[Krusty]

You only wuv me for my LW skinning abilities!

[Crumpp]

Not to be irritating, but this is the first I've heard of this. Would be interested to hear how to do it.

It can be done AFAIK.  Talk to TK.  Just like damage can be adjusted as well.

All the best,

Crumpp

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by Crumpp
Grits it is possible in the CT to change the stall characteristics of all the aircraft.  It's been done before during scenarios.

Now I asked if it had been done this time.  The CT volunteers said no.  However there was a definate stability to the FW-190 which did not exist before.  As the CT developed problems, I did not get to check 1G level stall speeds in the CT.  The test in the main showed that there were not changes in that arena to the FM.

All the best,

Crumpp

Man, I can't believe this debate is still going on! There is only one thing that can be changed between arenas and that is Stall Limiter AOT. One more reason to never fly with Stall Limiter on.

HiTech addresses this conspiracy theory months ago. If 2 arenas have different fuel burn rates then planes will, say it with me, perform differently in either arena based on fuel weight and distribution, i.e. COG.

There is no way to change the Flight Model of any plane in the arena settings. To continue to believe so is, well, delusional.

[Clifra Jones]

Posted by Hitech in this thread. (bad spelling and all)

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=151542&perpage=50&highlight=arena%20flight%20model%20change&pagenumber=2

05-27-2005 12:33 PM
StallLimitAOA, only has an effect when your have the stall limiter enabled. It is simply the degres before stall AOA that the stick is relaxed.

So if storch is flying with the stall limiter enabled it could change it's ablity to stall, but would not effect any type of plane differently.

If you do not have stall imiter enabled, there is no setting that can change anything about how the planes fly, let alone a setting that would effect 1 plane type.


HiTech

Again

05-27-2005 02:05 PM
Then the plane will fly exatly like it would in the main arena.

On thing you might consider is if the CT is using a different Fuel burn rate. You would always be ariving at the fight heavyier than you would for an = time in the main. But I assure you there is no change in the flight model between arenas other than what I have spoken about.l


HiTech

You can believe what you wish but you are only deluding yourself.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Crumpp
It can be done AFAIK.  Talk to TK.  Just like damage can be adjusted as well.

All the best,

Crumpp

conspiracy theories again ?

[Grits]

Originally posted by Crumpp
Grits it is possible in the CT to change the stall characteristics of all the aircraft.  It's been done before during scenarios.

   If you do not have stall imiter enabled, there is no setting that can change anything about how the planes fly, let alone a setting that would effect 1 plane type.


    HiTech[/b][/i]

[Crumpp]

Grits,

It is a mute point now as the arena is not even up to test again or check settings.

One possible explaination is all that I offered not conclusive evidence.
 

HiTech addresses this conspiracy theory months ago.

Please feel free to point out where any "conspiracy" is mentioned??  What a silly thing to imply.

Clifra Jones, your post's delivery is one of the most childish and idiotic I have seen in ages.

If you have any experience whatsoever with MMOL games, settings can and do change on occassion when servers are swapped, programs loaded, etc...

HTC just went through a rather busy episode with the servers IIRC?  They were down for several hours due to difficulties.

Of course we can also use the "we are all just crazy" that fly the FW190 explaination too.



Pass the Fruit and Nuts.....

All the best,

Crumpp

[Grits]

Originally posted by Crumpp
Grits,

It is a mute point now as the arena is not even up to test again or check settings.

It is a moot point because the man who wrote the coad says there is no setting that can cause what some have felt. He also says that he did not remodel or change the 190's, P-38's, P-47's, 109's or any other flight model of a plane that existed before any patches which did feature new 3D models and new aircraft types unless it was noted in the release notes.

Some of my squadmates said they thought the K-4 was slower than the old G-10, or that the roll rate was not what it was. I tested it and found them identical in every way, every testable flight characteristic on any plane that someone has said they "feel" there was a change, I found there was none. No, stability is not measurable, it is inheirently a subjective quality, but given what I have found on testable traits of aircraft behavior that have been claimed to have changed and have not, why should I believe it has? When the massive preponderance of testable evidence I have seen clearly proves nothing has changed why should I believe something has changed just because it cant be tested? Thats just illogical.

I believe you and others that say they can feel changes, I think you are wrong, but I do believe you, however, just because someone believes something does not make it true. Although I may state my view strongly sometimes, it is not personal towards you or anyone else.

[Crumpp]

He also says that he did not remodel or change the 190's, P-38's, P-47's, 109's or any other flight model of a plane that existed before any patches which did feature new 3D models and new aircraft types unless it was noted in the release notes.

If you go dig that thread out, Grits, you will see I confirm that when it came up on the FW190 graphic update.  No FM changes were made at that time from when AH2 was first released.

This has been a recent development in the last two patches.  First the FW-190 FM became extremely erratic, then on the Italy map, it became very stable.

I don't know what it is or the cause.  The behavior of the aircraft in the game is not the same as it was when AH2 was first released and it is not mine or the others who fly the FW190's imagination.  

I believe HTC when they say that no FM changes have been made.  I also know from developing other flight sims that other changes in the program can have a profound effect on the behavior of FM's ending with unintended results.


All the best,

Crumpp