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« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2005, 02:33:26 AM »
If they hanged every person who gets caught with possession we'd soon have no drug problem at all. I'm all for it.

Junkies and drug related crime are the most disgusting thing I know.
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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2005, 02:37:12 AM »
Siaf is that you?

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« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2005, 02:42:11 AM »
Junkies and drug related crime are the most disgusting thing I know.
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Well...this is a loaded subject now isn't it........

Simply smuggling drugs is not comparable to raping and murdering a child while under the influence of drugs.....yet it takes the smuggler to enable the drug frenzied rapist.

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« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2005, 03:02:51 AM »
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In big red letters, right? (I haven't been there, but my brother has been there twice - on business trips, not smuggling drugs :)).
I've flown into Singapore twice - once from Britain and once from Indonesia. The warning "Death for Drug Traffickers" is indeed on the landing card in large capitals - can't remember the colour! Not only that, but when the flight attendants are about to hand them out, the PA announcement included the caveat "We draw your attention to the warning given on the front of the card". That announcement is, presumably, to give any would-be traffickers one last chance to flush it down the bog. On the day I arrived from Britain, a 27yo trafficker was hanged in that very same jail for the same offence.
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Singapore is in the heroin distribution business.
Wouldn't have thought so - are you sure you've got the right country? Have you ever been there? At less than 250 square miles I would have thought it was too small for poppy growing. However, their trading partners include Golden Triangle opiate producing countries like Burma, known to launder money through Singapore banks.

Back to the original point - there's no point in having a law if it's not enforced. If the subject of this thread had got away with it, that would be the signal to thousands of others that they might get away with it too. They have a similarly tough law on gun crime - have a gun, automatic long jail sentence. Use one in a crime, even longer jail sentence - not sure of the exact lengths, but you wouldn't want to know. But (and this is the bit I do remember) if the gun is actually fired, then even if no-one was hurt, it's an automatic death sentence.

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« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2005, 03:03:54 AM »
Yeager I think the persons who want to make profit from the abovementioned people are the worst of the criminals. They supply the market and doing so create new market and new victims.

The junkies are far less criminal in the sense that their addiction runs them, a smuggler gets run only by greed and does his crime with (often) a clear head.

The capital punishment is only bad for one reason. The justice system is not perfect and the wrong person may end up getting hanged. It has happened that passengers have unkowingly become mules when the smugglers slipped an extra packet in their luggage only to retrieve it back later by force.

I always keep very good eye on my hand baggage while traveling not only for terrorists but also for drug smugglers.
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« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2005, 03:09:38 AM »
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The capital punishment is only bad for one reason. The justice system is not perfect and the wrong person may end up getting hanged. It has happened that passengers have unkowingly become mules when the smugglers slipped an extra packet in their luggage only to retrieve it back later by force.

I always keep very good eye on my hand baggage while traveling not only for terrorists but also for drug smugglers.
Indeed, and a case like this was dramatised in the mini series Bangkok Hilton.

A few years ago a couple of stupid/naive English girls got themselves into some hot water in a situation like this - carrying someone else's luggage and getting caught. I believe it was Thailand, which has a monarchy, and the King of Thailand granted a pardon. They were extremely lucky.

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« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2005, 04:49:49 AM »
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
If they hanged every person who gets caught with possession we'd soon have no drug problem at all. I'm all for it.

Junkies and drug related crime are the most disgusting thing I know.



WoW!!!
Junkies and drug crimes are the most disgusting thing you know?
Im incredulous as I can think of a 100 things worse.
Like child abuse, rape, murder, spousal abuse and many many more. Drugs and junkies arent even in the top 100.
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« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2005, 04:50:10 AM »
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Yeager I think the persons who want to make profit from the abovementioned people are the worst of the criminals. They supply the market and doing so create new market and new victims.

The junkies are far less criminal in the sense that their addiction runs them, a smuggler gets run only by greed and does his crime with (often) a clear head.

In many cases I'd say the buyer is as much to blame, most  users are not addicts(the addicts do consume most of the drugs though), and no one was an addict when they started taking drugs. If there's no pushing involved I don't find supplying any worse than buying. Supply and demand.

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« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2005, 04:59:29 AM »
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Like child abuse, rape, murder, spousal abuse and many many more. Drugs and junkies arent even in the top 100.


I can see drug abuse to be a factor in all of your scenarios. When a person doesn't understand what he's doing anything is possible. Most spousal abuse cases are directly related to either drug or alcohol usage. Same goes with murders at least in Finland. Rape and child abuse I don't know about, probably that has more to do with the persons mental health problems.

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In many cases I'd say the buyer is as much to blame, most users are not addicts(the addicts do consume most of the drugs though), and no one was an addict when they started taking drugs. If there's no pushing involved I don't find supplying any worse than buying. Supply and demand.


I support fully making even possession for personal use a crime. Same goes for buying. Hell if they outlawed buying sex how can it be legal to buy drugs? As what goes for the criminality of supply I think you're a bit off base there. The pushers are called pushers for a reason. Some of them hang next to schoolyards and offer 'free samples' to curious youngsters.

If that's not criminal I don't know what is.
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« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2005, 05:30:56 AM »
I see, they should have changed their law for this confused person
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« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2005, 07:38:06 AM »
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Originally posted by beet1e
Wouldn't have thought so    


Now ain`t that a real schocker. :)


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At less than 250 square miles I would have thought it was too small for poppy growing


  The word was "distribution". Look it up if you are having a probelm grasping the concept.

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However, their trading partners include Golden Triangle opiate producing countries like Burma, known to launder money through Singapore banks.


You actualy answered your own doubts. They also support the junta and the druglords. It`s a sham .

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Back to the original point - there's no point in having a law if it's not enforced. If the subject of this thread had got away with it, that would be the signal to thousands of others that they might get away with it too.


Which they do on a daily basis, only on a much, much larger scale. Like I said it`s a sham. You just have to be in the right circles and have the right contacts. In Asia, as in the rest of the planet , the war on drugs is a total sham. Only the small guys are offered up as sacrafices for the naive to have a bone to chew on.
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« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2005, 07:50:51 AM »
well... I guess it could be said that if you are not a government sponsored a highly placed drug smuggler you will get the death penalty.

I sort of agree with the whiney liberal fartwinkle.... why not allow people to do as many drugs as they want?  if they die they die... It's a womans (or a mans) right to choose?  if they go to work on drugs the employer can fire em...or not.   drive on drugs?  lose your licence... what's the big deal?

sandman... do you ever add anything to a thread?  I mean....  ever?  Don't you have a geo to fill with cash or something?

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« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2005, 09:20:58 AM »
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I sort of agree with the whiney liberal fartwinkle.... why not allow people to do as many drugs as they want?  if they die they die... It's a womans (or a mans) right to choose?  if they go to work on drugs the employer can fire em...or not.   drive on drugs?  lose your licence... what's the big deal?


60%+ of all burglaries/robberies/thefts are drug related, meaning the suspect is usually committing the crime to finance a drug addiction.  When that just-fired drug addict breaks into your house/car so that he/she can buy their next fix, then your opinion might change.

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« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2005, 09:25:03 AM »
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The word was "distribution". Look it up if you are having a probelm grasping the concept.
No probelm, no probelm at all :p But how can Singapore distribute something that was never there in the first place? :rolleyes:

And I ask again - have you ever BEEN to Singapore, or any other part of SE Asia???

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« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2005, 11:00:30 AM »
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It's not harsh. It's immoral.


Im curious why my other post was deleted as a flame.

You think it's imoral to execute a criminal who broke a known law with a known penalty of death, yet you consider the abortion of an innocent fetus, who has broken no law and who is a viable human life, to be moral?

How do you figure one is moral and the other is not?

Thats not a flame, thats a question of how you are defining morality.

The guy was executed for breaking the law.