Perking the TA152

[AKFokerFoder+]

Last month, the TA152, even at the cheap perk price of about 5 points had the following stats

712 Kills 563 deaths K/D of 1.26

Total usage 0.2%


Lets look at other tours:

Tour 69

832  Kills 554 Deaths 1.50 K/d

Tour 68

1046 Kills  667 Deaths 1.57 K/D

Tour 67

1111 Kills  749 Deaths  1.48 K/D


Tour 66
385 Kills   252 Deaths   1.53 K/D

This is hardly an uber ride that deserves perking, even light perking.

And with a Spit16, KI84, LA7 and others running around free, the C Hog needs to at least have it's perk price cut to about a 3rd of what it is.  I doubt if it will ever be unperked, just because of the terror that it once was, but the arena has changed a lot since those days.

The F4U-4 also seems a whole bunch over priced compared to its K/D and it's usage.  I can understand a light perking, and definately a heavier perk than the C Hog, but it is not the monster that the Tempest is, and therefore does not deserve such a high price tag.

[hubsonfire]

Wow, an "unperk X plane" thread. That's a novelty. Looking for better vulching planes?

[Grits]

Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
The F4U-4 also seems a whole bunch over priced compared to its K/D and it's usage.  I can understand a light perking, and definately a heavier perk than the C Hog, but it is not the monster that the Tempest is, and therefore does not deserve such a high price tag.

I disagree, the F4U-4's perk price is just about right. Aside from the 4X20mm (which is why people pick it over the cheaper 4-Hog) IMO the F4U-4 is better than the Temp. Just because it doesnt get much use or people dont know how to use it, does not mean its not a monster, it is.

[AKFokerFoder+]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
Wow, an "unperk X plane" thread. That's a novelty. Looking for better vulching planes?

Hard to get a much better vulching plane than the 190's

But the TA 152 isn't the vulcher that a 190A8 is.  Those twin 30mm's backed by 2 20mms and 2 50 cals is a much more powerful vulching package than the 2 20's and one 30 mm on the TA 152.  Plus the wings of a TA tear off too easily, and the deck speed sucks.

In order to set up a good vulch and not use up all your cannons, you use your 50 cals (or say 7.7 in a 109 or Spit) to start pinging the target, then once you get a solid ping on the helpless bogey (AKFodder starts to slaver) you give a short burst with the cannons.  Bogey go POOF!

I think that really the best vulching plane in the arena is the Dora, vulch n scoot!

Then you quickly make sure you have channel 200 on to listen to the whine.

A vulch is never truly successful unless you get a good whine on channel 200!  

Anything with Hispanos is also good for vulching.

If you would like to go into the training arena sometime, or if you want to do a .join, I can show you some of the finer points of being a vulching scumbag

[hubsonfire]

Like I need scumbag training. I disagree on the 152, as the all cannon package makes it a supreme vulcher (1 ping even close is good enough), but it's performance that low is mediocre at best. Since it seems that it's performance is best at an alt at which no fight occurs in AH, I'd also support letting the perk price go.  

I'm still of the opinion that the hogs should remain perked.

[Kev367th]

Would the same go for Spit XIV?

Tour Kills Death K/D
69 1353 1248 1.08
68 1593 1192 1.33
67 1978 1479 1.33

Same as the 152 it's best alt is hardly suited for the MA also.

Quickly glancing back through the perk plane stats it remains almost exclusively the lowest k/d ratio of any perked plane. In fact the same few non perked planes are usually above it.

It may be a realistic option with the XVI ingame now.

[Guppy35]

I know I'm a little slow, but I just don't get it.

Why not unperk em all.  Once the initial thrill wore off, I kinda doubt it's gonna be 262 wars all over.

I just don't care what the other guy flies.    At a certain point folks are going to want to find out if they can win in something besides the best ride...at least I'd hope so.

Ultimately you are going to have a continuous ebb and flow of new players with short attention spans that don't stick around that long.  From that crowd a few will stick and try and become more then just face shooters, vulchers and runners.  The rest will move on to something else because they won't have the staying power.

In the end there will continue to be a core of AH drivers who want more from the game then just score whoring and attaboy messages.  Those guys are going to continue to grumble about how the short timers just don't get it, but they'll keep going up, looking for that one great 1 v 1 that keeps the blood flowing.

So unperk em all and let the AH gods sort em out.

[Slash27]

Originally posted by Grits
I disagree, the F4U-4's perk price is just about right. Aside from the 4X20mm (which is why people pick it over the cheaper 4-Hog) IMO the F4U-4 is better than the Temp. Just because it doesnt get much use or people dont know how to use it, does not mean its not a monster, it is.

I had trouble following you through that. The-4 is now cheaper than the C-Hog?  

 Anyway, what about the P-47N? How does it match up against the -4?

[Kev367th]

IMO there are only 3 planes worth perking -
262, 163 and the Tempest.

[bozon]

A price of 5 perks bothers you ?! How many perks do you have?
Shoot down 1 La7 or a spit with 190A8 and you have that. If you have 300 perks (cost of  262?) it's enough for 60 sorties in which you don't kill a single plane and die every time. Assume you have a K/D of 1 and you kill mostly the common low ENY rides, the cost per  death reduces to near 4 perks - enough for 75 death sorties.

Spit 14 has a price of about 15 perks. I cover that with a 2-3 kill sortie in a P47 (no need to land even). This is the only spit I take (and the only perk ride I fly) and I can completly ignore the fact it's a perk ride. I hardly ever manage to land it (because I suck with it, not a plane problem) but I don't even check its perk price.

I believe Ta152 is perked in order for it not to be the "regular" 190 in the areana. If anything, I'd like to see a lot more planes in the "single digit" perk category. What are perks or ENY good for if there's nothing to sped the perks on.

Stop counting your perks and start spending them. That's what they are there for.

Bozon

[Wilbus]

I don't fly the Ta 152 much anymore, not because it is perked (nearly 7000 perks so can afford quite a few Ta's) but simply because the plane is no good. The other 190's are mostly better, the Ta 152 is unstable, very unstable, as is the Dora but nearly as unstable as the Ta 152. Ta 152 doesn't roll well due to long wings.

I wouldn't mind unperking the Spit 14 and F4u4 either BUT the C HOG NEEDS TO STAY PERKED.

If it was to be unperked again it would become just as popular. Remember, it wasn't perked because it was fast or had a great K/D. It was perked because it had the highest amount of kills of any plane in AH (hands down) thanks to its 4x20mm guns and CV capability (together with a big load of bombs an rockets). Also, it is very easy to fly for some reason, very forgiving  even though it has somewhat of a snapstall it feels as if it completely lacks any sort of tourqe.

Unperk the rest but keep the C hog perked.

[Pooface]

Originally posted by Kev367th
IMO there are only 3 planes worth perking -
262, 163 and the Tempest.

yeah same, and the prices are about right too. every other perk plane simply isn't that great, infact tho, the chog and 4hog need perking too, but very lightly

[Mime]

I would like them to fix the Flight Model and update the graphics too.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
Hard to get a much better vulching plane than the 190's

But the TA 152 isn't the vulcher that a 190A8 is.  Those twin 30mm's backed by 2 20mms and 2 50 cals is a much more powerful vulching package than the 2 20's and one 30 mm on the TA 152.  Plus the wings of a TA tear off too easily, and the deck speed sucks.

In order to set up a good vulch and not use up all your cannons, you use your 50 cals (or say 7.7 in a 109 or Spit) to start pinging the target, then once you get a solid ping on the helpless bogey (AKFodder starts to slaver) you give a short burst with the cannons.  Bogey go POOF!

I think that really the best vulching plane in the arena is the Dora, vulch n scoot!

Then you quickly make sure you have channel 200 on to listen to the whine.

A vulch is never truly successful unless you get a good whine on channel 200!  

Anything with Hispanos is also good for vulching.

If you would like to go into the training arena sometime, or if you want to do a .join, I can show you some of the finer points of being a vulching scumbag

Oh, the Ta152 EXCEEDS any FW in vulching.  You can do a pendulum motioned vulch, and rack up 7 kills and still climb up to 8k.  I know you can, I've done it more than a few times.   IMO, the Ta has the best gun package on any plane in AH, again, that is MY opinion.

Karaya

[Grits]

Originally posted by Slash27
I had trouble following you through that. The-4 is now cheaper than the C-Hog?

Sorry, I wasnt clear, I was talking about the Temp. I think the -4 Hog is better than the Temp, but people choose the more expensive Temp because of the 4x20mm.

Originally posted by Kev367th
IMO there are only 3 planes worth perking -
262, 163 and the Tempest.

I agree.