Perking the TA152

[Panman]

You have to remember the Ta-152 was designed to intercept high alt bombers, not furball:O

[Larry]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Oh, the Ta152 EXCEEDS any FW in vulching.  You can do a pendulum motioned vulch, and rack up 7 kills and still climb up to 8k.  I know you can, I've done it more than a few times.   IMO, the Ta has the best gun package on any plane in AH, again, that is MY opinion.

Karaya

Um how is 2x 151/20 and 1 mk108 the best gun package in AH? The 110 can carry double that and alot more ammo and is a way better plane then the 152. IF a la7 jumped me on the deck Id rather be in a 110 atlease it can out turn a la7 the 152 is just a siting duck.

[storch]

the Ta152, if used in it's intended role of bomber interception at high altitudes is still inadequate in AH.  I use it but even if it were unperked it wouldn't change the frequency of use for me.  the guns hit a ton though.

[lasersailor184]

The F4u4 should not be unperked.  It absolutely dominates La7's.

Hell, I once had a p51b engage me thinking I was just another F4u.  I out accelerated, out turned, out looped, out fought him.  Pure domination.

[AKFokerFoder+]

Originally posted by bozon
A price of 5 perks bothers you ?! How many perks do you have?
Shoot down 1 La7 or a spit with 190A8 and you have that. If you have 300 perks (cost of  262?) it's enough for 60 sorties in which you don't kill a single plane and die every time. Assume you have a K/D of 1 and you kill mostly the common low ENY rides, the cost per  death reduces to near 4 perks - enough for 75 death sorties.

Spit 14 has a price of about 15 perks. I cover that with a 2-3 kill sortie in a P47 (no need to land even). This is the only spit I take (and the only perk ride I fly) and I can completly ignore the fact it's a perk ride. I hardly ever manage to land it (because I suck with it, not a plane problem) but I don't even check its perk price.

I believe Ta152 is perked in order for it not to be the "regular" 190 in the areana. If anything, I'd like to see a lot more planes in the "single digit" perk category. What are perks or ENY good for if there's nothing to sped the perks on.

Stop counting your perks and start spending them. That's what they are there for.

Bozon

First of all 5 perks doesn't bother me, I have well over 2000 perkies.  Just take up a 109G2 or a F4U-1 and you should get well over 8 perkies even if you get shot down.  Even if you unperk the 152, I still won't fly it.  Maybe a bit more, but I doubt it.  The Dora is a much better MA ride, I find it a lot more survivable down low where the fighting is.

I hardly fly perk planes because compared to the LA7 or Spit16 most perkies aren't that good.  If I want a uber ride I take the LA or the 16.

As for perking the Hogs, it just shows how really good the Hog was.  2 out of 4 Hogs are perked.  Most hogs (except the D) have a high K/D

C Hog 2.27
-4 Hog 2.01
F4U-1  1.29
F4U-D  0.75

And that is after the FM for the C Hog was porked at the same time it was perked and the D Hog has always had the FM of a pig.  In real life, the Hog had a K/D of 11 to 1.  But AH isn't real life.

When it was not perked in tour 15 we had 27,717  kills with a C Hog as compared to 11,748 Kills with a Spit 9.

This tour we had 3 non-perk planes that had more kills that the C Hog in tour 15.

The TA152 isn't good enough to rate a perk, and perked or unperked it isn't going to be a popular ride.

[Wilbus]

The Ta 152 was not designed as a high altitude bomber interceptor, that is a common misstake to think.

It was designed as a high-altitude long range air superiority fighter designed for many different roles such as, long range escorts, furballing, recce (H10 was recce version) aswell as bomber interceptor.

Another common misstake is to think that is served as a 262 airfield protection plane, it didn't.

Third is that just because it was maximized for high alt everybody seems to think it sucked down low (think AH has a part in that). It was quite capable, more so then the 190's at all alts.

The more dedictaed buff hunters would have been the A and B modells, which were both heavily armed.

[Stang]

Originally posted by Wilbus
The Ta 152 was not designed as a high altitude bomber interceptor, that is a common misstake to think.

It was designed as a high-altitude long range air superiority fighter designed for many different roles such as, long range escorts, furballing, recce (H10 was recce version) aswell as bomber interceptor.

Another common misstake is to think that is served as a 262 airfield protection plane, it didn't.

Third is that just because it was maximized for high alt everybody seems to think it sucked down low (think AH has a part in that). It was quite capable, more so then the 190's at all alts.

The more dedictaed buff hunters would have been the A and B modells, which were both heavily armed.

Unfortunately I think it's a lost cause Wil...

[Mime]

Yeah the Ta 152 was similar to any late war allied fighter down low.  Kurt Tank said he outaccelerated and outran two p51s on the deck in a Ta 152 during a civilian flight.  Yes it was optimized for high altitude fighting but that doesn't mean it should be crap down low.  Its too bad the FM is all messed up or I would definately fly it more often.  Eric Brown loved the Ta 152 when he flew it after the war.

[Wilbus]

Originally posted by Stang
Unfortunately I think it's a lost cause Wil...

Ya rgr that bro. Just trying to give some more info for those who don't know it.

[wetrat]

The 4-hog is a MONSTER... if you think anything else, you either suck or don't know how to fly it. Or both. The 152 pretty much sucks unless you want to have 1-2 fights a month flying at its best altitude, but so few were in service in the war it really should be perked.

Originally posted by Kev367th
Would the same go for Spit XIV?

Same as the 152 it's best alt is hardly suited for the MA also.

Quickly glancing back through the perk plane stats it remains almost exclusively the lowest k/d ratio of any perked plane. In fact the same few non perked planes are usually above it.

It may be a realistic option with the XVI ingame now.

That's because the majority of people who pick an XIV are spit newbies that want to fly the "uber spit" and try to angle fight with it like it's a seafire. Give a decent pilot (I'd say less than 2% of people in AH qualify) a spit XIV and you'll see EXACTLY why it should be perked.


cliffs: 4-hog owns, 152 sucks (it should be best 190 variant ) but should be perked anyway, spit XIV owns unless you suck, vulching is for losers

[slaker]

The reason the F4U-1C was perked is it has 4x20mm and takes a boatload of damage to bring down.   This makes it the ultimate HOer, and that distinction was reserved for other rides...

However, it is the worse handling hog, by far, even though it is only slightly heavier than the -1D (295 lbs more, equivalent to less than a 1/4 tank of gas).

[palef]

Originally posted by Kev367th
IMO there are only 3 planes worth perking -
262, 163 and the Tempest.

I'm with him.

[Furball]

It is quite simple really... if you do not have the pathetic amount of perks to fly the 152 you are not good enough to fly it.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Larry
Um how is 2x 151/20 and 1 mk108 the best gun package in AH? The 110 can carry double that and alot more ammo and is a way better plane then the 152. IF a la7 jumped me on the deck Id rather be in a 110 atlease it can out turn a la7 the 152 is just a siting duck.

I was in a turnfight in 152's with a squaddie (OddCAF) OTD with an La7.  I was turning with him for 3 turns, he ran.  

110 is a POS.

Karaya

[Wilbus]

Well actually I'd say the 110 is the best dogfighter LW has got in AH.

Something with the twins in AH...