Kerry's Latest Comments

[Gunslinger]

Kerry is a Senator....what he say's matters.  Dean is the head of the DNC one of the major political partys in the country.

I even said it's not that he's calling us terrorists but this is in response to a question about Joe Leiberman's recent visit to Iraq and report of progress.  I have to wonder what they are thinking.

Nef,

Let me rephrase I think you are wrong.  I think this because we arent the "secret police" over there.  The doors we bust down in the middle of the night are known terrorists based on the good intel job we have been doing over there as of late.  We do a far better job of being respectfull of those we detain than the Iraqis themselves.  We arent the ones' terrorising people for our actions.  I can only assume that a car filled with a few arty shells about to explode at a school where kids are waiting in line for new books would be more of a reason to be afraid.  He arent the "boogie men" over there.


But the context of the comments are perfect. I did not take out of context anything.  He was responding to a question about progress and spun it into a negative.  I can only think he does this for political reasons.

and for the "daily bash the democrats by gunslinger" crowed I hardly call anything I've said here bashing.  

How do you explain Dean's comments yesturday "idea that we're going to win the war in Iraq is an idea which is just plain wrong."  There's no room for out of context here he say's we are going to lose  PERIOD.

DId this make any headlines yesturday.....barely.  

Is this bashing?  What I'm doing is cronicaling these comments and trying to show a pattern here.  These democrats don't seem to want Iraq to succeed.  They say things to take political jabs.  It's not right.

And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs.

I dont' see how you can take this out of context.  "American soldiers going into the homes of iraqis" and it all goes down hill from there.  I can think of more than a few reasons American's go into the homes of Iraqis but none are to terrorize children and break religious customs.  again those are the exception and not the rule.  We've done a great job recently in snatch and grabs working right along side Iraqi police.  Usually one insurgent caught leads to four more and to ten more and so on.  It's not like this is done at random and AGAIN this is in response to a question about PROGRESS.  This is the best he has to say about our efforts there?

[Seagoon]

I was on my way back from lunch this afternoon when I happened to catch Howard Dean patriotically saying that America was in another "Vietnam" and that it was just "plain wrong" to think that America could prevail in Iraq.

It was at this point that I had to finally admit the hard truth, that I am not a patriot nor it seems will I ever be one. You see, unlike great patriots like Dean, and Kerry, and Sheehan, I just can't seem to bring myself to the patriotic fever pitch point where I am willing to make statements that will demoralize American troops, and give aid, comfort, and encouragement to their enemies.

In hindsight, I think it may be partly because I'm selfish. Too many of the members of my congregation are deployed or are soon to be deployed, and I know its their patriotic duty to be killed and defeated so that the Republicans can be ejected from power and the Jihad prevail, but I just keep hoping that they will come home alive and that the bloodthirsty Islamic Jihadists will be the ones who get defeated. I know too I should be ashamed of my lack of patriotism, especially given the fact that I'm applying to become a citizen, but I just can't help but hope that democracy and goodness will actually prevail, and that Islam will sputter out. If only I could see and understand that America really is the Great Satan and the US Army the true terrorizers, and that the Caliphate will be really be peace and paradise. But I can't, and so it seems I'm doomed to be a traitor, a fifth columnist, and just plain un-American.

I hope you guys at least can understand and perhaps forgive me.

- SEAGOON

[midnight Target]

So now it's patriotic to keep your mouth shut... which freedoms exactly are we fighting for again?

[Dago]

Originally posted by midnight Target
So now it's patriotic to keep your mouth shut... which freedoms exactly are we fighting for again?

Do you really fail to understand there is a time and place for everything?  The time to debate war is before it starts, once in it, we have to put all chips in and back our nation, and that includes our leadership and our troops.  Stand together in a united front.  This isn't a new concept, just one some liberals wont grasp because it doesnt serve their selfish nature.

I am sick of fools saying "I support the troops" when they have done exactly zero to support them.  Not sent one box of goodies, not treated one soldier to a meal, nothing.  

dago

[storch]

Originally posted by midnight Target
So now it's patriotic to keep your mouth shut... which freedoms exactly are we fighting for again?

yes it's unpatriotic to say anything disparaging about our great president so hush up now.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by storch
yes it's unpatriotic to say anything disparaging about our great president so hush up now.

I fail to see how either of you or MTs comments add anything to this thread nore how they are relevent.  No were in this thread does it say the president is great except for your pithy comment.  

I still don't see a valid argument where it's healthy in a conflict that we are in fact winning for a political party to say we are losing or disparaging our troops work thus far for no other reason then to politically attack their opposing party.  This isn't about patriotism, do any of you realize what the middle east will look like if we lose in Iraq?  That seems to be what some democrats want for no other reason than political gain.  Again I don't see how this "free speech" as MT put it is healthy for America and our troops fighting abroad.

[Flatbar]

Originally posted by Yeager
Screaming horward Dean said in a radio interview that the US wont succeed in Iraq.  Dean is punk.

LOL, GWB said almost the same thing on live primetime TV!

"I don't think you can win it," Mr. Bush replied. "But
I think you can create conditions so that those who
use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of
the world."

Bush Cites Doubt America Can Win War on Terror
By ELISABETH BUMILLER
New York Times
Published: August 31, 2004
http://tinyurl.com/at5gp

But, IOKIYAAR I suppose.

[Yeager]

Bush was talking about the war on terror when he made that comment

[Gunslinger]

I still think the new rolleyes just don't do justice.

[Seagoon]

Do statements like Dean's encourage the enemy and contribute to a defeat in Iraq? Of course they do. Jihadists are generally at least half as bright as the North Vietnamese, and in terms of their willingness to persevere? Well they've been at this for 1300 years so far...

"Question: How did Hanoi intend to defeat the Americans?

Answer: By fighting a long war which would break their will to help South Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh said, "We don't need to win military victories, we only need to hit them until they give up and get out."

Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?

A: It was essential to our strategy. Support of the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda, and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that she would struggle along with us."

[Wall Street Journal, Thursday August 3, 1995, Interview with NVA General Staff member, Colonel Bui Tin]

All of America's enemies at this point have learned the real lesson of the Vietnam war: the key to victory lies in defeating the USA at home, not on foreign battlefields.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Dago
I am sick of fools saying "I support the troops" when they have done exactly zero to support them.  Not sent one box of goodies, not treated one soldier to a meal, nothing.  

dago

Just so you know... I am not one of those fools, and I will not have my freedom trampled by anyone... including and especially our government. Time and place is governed by the necessity for action. PERIOD.

[Dago]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Just so you know... I am not one of those fools, and I will not have my freedom trampled by anyone... including and especially our government. Time and place is governed by the necessity for action. PERIOD.

Tell me, has some 18 year old Soldier sent to a war zone and faced with death at the hands of a brutal enemy attempted to deny you of your freedom?   Maybe had some Air Force pilot try to arrest you and put you in jail?  Maybe a young marine who has a wife and small child worried about him at home has tried to deny you of some constitutional right?

Do you mean to say you dont support the troops?

Or that you do and have done something tangible as a result, such as sending them care packages, volunteering to help at a VA hospital, donating to a military family support organization, volunteered at the USO?


Your answers to my questions will tell us much about you, thanks.

dago

[lazs2]

I think it is important to note that...

Allmost every one of the liberals on this board that are crying big crocadile tears for the "troops" and wanting to bring them home.... would consider the troops themselves (if they met them) to be moronic rednecks fit only to be the butt of their jokes by some sissy liberal comedian...  

The "troops" would not be the kind of people that the bleeding hearts here would hang out with in any case....

simply more liberal "we love humanity but hate people" bs.

lazs

[midnight Target]

Wrong again lazs... does it get old?

Some of the troops shared Thanksgiving dinner at my house, some of the troops got free drinks from me on at least 2 occasions over the past year. I think they appreciated the beers more than the dinner...

Hey Dago... just reread my last post... slowly, you seem to have questions it contains the answers.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Wrong again lazs... does it get old?

Some of the troops shared Thanksgiving dinner at my house, some of the troops got free drinks from me on at least 2 occasions over the past year. I think they appreciated the beers more than the dinner...

Hey Dago... just reread my last post... slowly, you seem to have questions it contains the answers.

I still don't understand were your freedom is getting trampled.