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« on: December 13, 2005, 08:44:25 PM »
Just one thought i had today in millions. not the first time i have thought it but certainly the first instance i have become curious as to your views.

One of, infact the most fantastic thing for me about this virtual war zone is the diversity of nationalities i encounter. there is certainly one participant here at least from every country at conflict between 1914 to 1945.






had i been born 100 years earlier than now i would be trying to kill not only many great people in our community, but many beloved squadmates too.


there is a chance we would come to combat in very similar ways as we do every day, i know i would've sign up to fly and die rather than crawl in the mud and die.


so given these nonsense twists of imagination, how do we truly feel now about what we take so lightly on a day to day basis.


I particularly am interested to hear from the players not from the UK or the USA, but am equally interested to hear what everyone has to say.


how do we feel about what our nations did then, still do now, will almost certainly always do and most probably have always done?


is there anyone old enough here who was alive to see the effects of such a catatrophic and spectacular event?


is there anyone young enough that they should never have to think about what happened?


is there any nation represented here in Aces High that feels they have something they want to say spiritually about what we live to dream about.


on the other hand, that crap did happen like, last millenenyiam so should we even think about it?



well, that leads me to think of a theory whilst typing.


evolutionary culling.



 as homo sapiens became the dominant spieces on earth by a very comfortable degree, we evolved to turn our killer instincts on each other to have more room in the best water hole. before we even became civilized, our spieces made self destruction an insticnt. we didnt flock in mass heards, we craved to spread our children and our blood as far and as wide and as strong as possible. and of course killing absolutely anything or anyone that looked threatening.

and why?

 because our monkey families were programed to kill each other after they could live without true fear of any other creature on earth. nothing else was going to keep our numbers down but ourselves.

 the evolution of us became so intense that we made war and seperation one of our many goals to achieve. along with collecting barganing tokens.

 unfortunately the evolution gurus in the center of our earth or in space or heaven or whatever didnt figure just how much we would love to shag and make babies.

 at the turn of the last century creation saw the planet project going wrong, evolution beaten, mass over population approaching. every attempt to cull us increasingly through global civil wars up untill '1900 AD' in the history of humans has failed and the population is set to destroy the planet not through war but through arogant lifestyle and a fat belly.

 through possesing a human, mother nature forces a war. joan of arch springs to mind. poor lass was burnt alive in her ealry twenties for claiming to be inspired 'by god' to fight off the English heathans. i geuss they put a few extra logs on for her kicking the crap out of their armies with the added insult of being a little girl. she blatantly was nuts, mad, insane. but only to everyone who didnt have to stop and think about it more than the fact that melting flesh smells kinda rank after a bowl of potatoes and some flat ale.

 through out history all the chief whackos have claimed to be for a god of somekind. many will be lying. others are infact controlled by a force they cannot understand(evolution) to take the choices they do in life.

 hitler didnt pop out of Mrs hitler with plans to cull millions of over energetic and healthy humans in multi national warfare.

no one really has control of their life because we cant plan on what creation will do next. one day sitting on the beach drinking flaming zombies, the next total anihilation as the sea take a very minor and reasonably mild excursion into most of indonesia.

sitting on a bus, bam, bag bomb.

3 days ago a gas cointainer exploded containing such a ridiculous cubic volume of gas that it could be heard in belgium. I was awake at the time and my house shook and the bang was loud as a flashbang in my room with the intesity of bass that only a shock wave can provide to hide the cracking trebles of the igniting atoms. i live a good hour drive from hemel.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4521232.stm


the evolution gurus are working harder than ever to make us kill ourselvs and to top it off, make us think its our own idea to keep the vast majority of us not give a damn about much further than what they see, touch, experience and play with.....this is a happy medium for us to get by as a  global nation of faux peace....but hardly a solution to our obvious rape of the planet.  

I'm sorry, but someone is going to have to die, infact millions of us are.

maybe not today, maybe not before next tuesday, maybe not even till 2019 march 2nd at 02:43 hours...... but one day.



 




 If you beileve in something other than cereal for breakfast, looking forward to another day not giving a damn about anyhting but today. then there is an extremely slim, but glimmering chance that you have read all this word for word. I bid the rest of you a good day and hope you dont ever start thinking enough so that things like this interest you. i truly believe ignorance, even if achieved through perfect self denial, is almost certainly bliss.

 and anyway, to the point my brothers and sisters, warfare and killing eachother is unfortunately one of the three sole purposes of our existance here and a micro chip in our evulotion to keep this rock spinning as long as possible be fore it all goes tits up.

the second is to truly do this ---->  :D uncontrolably and without having a chance of stopping for at least 5 mins, preferably your entire life with short intervals to explore your less enjoyable emotions. A fellow human that you can achieve a mutal stae of :D with for extended periods is not to be taken for granted.


the third is to see what happens next in this game.



well, thats a little of my view, anyone else have anything they feel compeled to add?
« Last Edit: December 13, 2005, 08:55:19 PM by mechanic »
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2005, 09:12:08 PM »
Well, you certrainly did cover a myriad of topics in that speech. I for one don't have much of a plan for tomorrow, even though I know I should.

Creatures of all kinds have been killing each other since the world began, not just humans. It's animal instinct or some drive that causes many closely related speicies to invade the other's nests, or territories and steal resources and even take slaves (there are a few types of ants that raid other colonies to take larva and use them as slaves when they mature)

We, being sentient, should be able to rationalize and not do such things, but we choose not to, or lack the internal will to do so. Before the days of law and order, religions were developed in an effort to keep society in check, or at least to try. But, it's human nature to not follow rules, so society breaks down and relationships (personal and inter-tribal or international) fail so war begins.

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Actually, I don't really want to get into this discussion in this forum, so I'll just leave what I typed and that's it for now.
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2005, 09:21:19 PM »
yeah, but only humans kill each other as consistantly and in such quantities.

the vast majority of creatures wont kill their own kind unless forced to. there are exceptions.


honestly aint no preaching too, just my thoughts, i dont expect or hope that anyone agrees or even cares, i enjoyed thinking it, its light hearted and also very cutting.

thanks for the input and if you read it all rod for word then you're a curious soul for sure.
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2005, 09:35:31 PM »
animals kill for as a necessity. we kill for abstracts. that's the thing that gets me the most.
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2005, 09:45:25 PM »
thats true, and disturbing, but war and global destuction is different from a serial killer.
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2005, 10:03:14 PM »
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animals kill for as a necessity. we kill for abstracts. that's the thing that gets me the most.

Not always.  I recall seeing a film made by a Japanese researcher who was studying chimpanzees.  The group he was studying fractured after the dominant male died, about one third going with one male and the other two thirds going with another male.  In this film the dominant male of the larger group walked through his group and collected four or five other males.  They then went walking in single file along a trail in their territory.  They came across a lone male from the other group and all of them charged down the hill at him, caught him and beat him to death.

Now obviously we don't know what actually went through their minds, but from our perspective as humans it sure looked a whole lot like basic tribal warfare.

Of course chimpanzees are the single animal species most like us, so that may not be the best lithmus test for animals as a general rule.
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2005, 10:09:12 PM »
The "theory" of evolution is absurd.

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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2005, 10:15:43 PM »
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The "theory" of evolution is absurd.

Nothing I said referred to evolution.

You can think whatever you like about evolution and it matters not a whit to me, but if you think chimps don't show a remarkable genetic similarity to us you're standing on real iffy ground.  Make up whatever fairy tale suits you to explain why they do, but that they do is a fact.
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2005, 10:42:53 PM »
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well, thats a little of my view, anyone else have anything they feel compeled to add?


Nope. Evolution , War/Murder , Total Anilation......End of Mankind....


Nope think ya covered it:eek:
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2005, 11:04:18 PM »
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Nothing I said referred to evolution.

You can think whatever you like about evolution and it matters not a whit to me, but if you think chimps don't show a remarkable genetic similarity to us you're standing on real iffy ground.  Make up whatever fairy tale suits you to explain why they do, but that they do is a fact.
by us do you mean you and your ancestry?

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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2005, 11:05:57 PM »
After reading that, it makes me want to go do things that I always wanted to do. Go sightseeing across country, go exploring old ghost towns and try to picture how things were 100 years ago. Camp out in the mountains, etc. Life is too short the way it is. Keep putting everything off and before you know it, its too late.

Imagine all the missed opportunities and "what if" scenarios that you could of done. Time to start doing the things I want to do before its too late and their gone (or im gone, whichever comes first)
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2005, 11:47:44 PM »
Dude... puff, puff, pass. Don't bogart. :aok
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2005, 11:53:49 PM »
I tried to read it all but didn't care.

To those of you that tried to make a religious argument out of this-- You should be ashamed of yourselves.  

ESPECIALLY those of you that will tell me to go 'F' myself... your religion doesn't run too deep anyhow.

I believe the Earth is old and you will never agree with me regardless of my 'evidence' and you will tell me its 3000 years young and I won't accept your 'evidence' either... Does anyone REALLY care?  I don't.  

God hid dinosaur fossils for fun?  sure, why not... Because I know if I was omnipotent I'd really feel the need to pander to people who didn't believe in me... WHAT EVER.  If God is that shallow I wouldn't believe in him at all.

Anyhow, this topic is the greatest creation of Trolling the internet has ever seen... Congrats Mechanic.

Beyond that, its a stupid degeneration of human beings doing what humans do...

KILL.
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2005, 12:10:42 AM »
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by us do you mean you and your ancestry?

Humans, silly.  Chimpanzees and humans have a genetic code that is more than 98% similar.  Why that is that so?  Well, that is up to you to decide if God just poofed humans and chimpanzees into existance like that or if there is another reason.  I am fine with whatever you wish to believe for yourself.
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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2005, 01:10:49 AM »
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I tried to read it all but didn't care.

To those of you that tried to make a religious argument out of this-- You should be ashamed of yourselves.  

ESPECIALLY those of you that will tell me to go 'F' myself... your religion doesn't run too deep anyhow.

I believe the Earth is old and you will never agree with me regardless of my 'evidence' and you will tell me its 3000 years young and I won't accept your 'evidence' either... Does anyone REALLY care?  I don't.  

God hid dinosaur fossils for fun?  sure, why not... Because I know if I was omnipotent I'd really feel the need to pander to people who didn't believe in me... WHAT EVER.  If God is that shallow I wouldn't believe in him at all.

Anyhow, this topic is the greatest creation of Trolling the internet has ever seen... Congrats Mechanic.

Beyond that, its a stupid degeneration of human beings doing what humans do...

KILL.



Well I know that killing isn't really on my top 10 priority list of things to do.  In fact, considering that I have not heeded past warnings, its amazing I haven't gone blind yet from adhering to my priorities list.  

Since I've become omnipotent, I know I enjoy a good Sunday where I go out and hide dinosaur fossils just to give archeologists something to move them from grant to grant.  You are saying that you have evidence that the world is old besides the fossils that God hid from you???  :O   Do tell.  

Truth be told, I think you have some deep rooted issues that have stemmed from your geneology, which no doubt, extends from years and years of sexually opressed monkeys flinging poo at one another.  Nevertheless, I think you should really lighten up, Francis, harness all those issues and go unleash some fire and brimstone on all those silly "God-lovers" out there in the AH world.  :D