Aces High Magazine

[mars01]

Originally posted by: Zazen

[/b]The problem I have with mars is he thinks any approach to the game other than his, is cowardly, lame and does not require any skill or talent. I personally think that is a HUGE load of horse**** and am not afriad one bit of explaining how and why it's a HUGE steaming pile of horse**** 20 different ways if I have to.

Previosly Posted by: Mars01

People that learn how to deal with situations where they aren't always in the hord, don't always have a plane they can run in, aren't always on a perch above the rest, will fly at the edge where it takes more skill than flying deep within the envelope where you hide.  And even more important will always be more fun to run into and fight. They will be more agressive and the MA will be a better place.

Umm anyone else see a difference between these two posts?

The problem with you Zazen is you put words in peoples mouths and then start to argue as if that's what they actually said.

Does your approach require some skill, sure.  Is your blabing even remotely backed up by your skill, well when I see you down in the weeds, away from the horde, not hyper extending or running and actually E-Fighting without all the cards in your hands, then maybe.  Until then you should stop misleading Newbs like JM whatever his name is, in the other thread.

You still have yet to respond to my offer to wing up.  Why not?

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by mars01
Does your approach require some skill, sure.  Is your blabing even remotely backed up by your skill, well when I see you down in the weeds, away from the horde, not hyper extending or running and actually E-Fighting without all the cards in your hands, then maybe.  Until then you should stop misleading Newbs like JM whatever his name is, in the other thread.

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1) I have flown in the same general vicinity as you possibly twice or three times EVER. How this gives you any clue as to how I actually fight I have no idea. But, those that do actually have first hand knowledge of my fighting know very well my bellybutton is in the grass with everyone else when the situation calls for it.

2) I am not trying to get you to admit the way I, personally, fly requires skill per se. I want you to understand that just because you feel it necessary to take the all around best turner in the game into a low turnfight then brag about that like you are the Holy Crusader of some PURE fighting cult and anyone who doesn't choose to do that is dog****, is total nonsense.

3) When you start flying a plane that turns porrly (or at least only mediocre)  down in the weeds to fight (where 7 out of 10 planes you will encounter easily out-turn you with a merely average pilot) in the same situations you do in your uber-turner Spitfire I'll start listening to your critique of the rest of the non-Spit flying world. It's pretty easy to sit atop your Spitfire mountain top and proclaim down to the non-uber-turner flying  world that stallfighting on the deck is the ONLY valid  form of fighting.

Zazen

[mars01]

I am not trying to get you to admit the way I, personally, fly requires skill per se. I want you to understand that just because you feel it necessary to take the all around best turner in the game into a low turnfight then brag about that like you are the Holy Crusader of some PURE fighting cult and anyone who doesn't choose to do that is dog****, is total nonsense.

I don't brag about anything.  I have said time and again that I am an average stick at best.  With that said I don't have to be great to know what skill level it takes to fly your way or mine.  

When you start flying a plane that turns porrly (or at least only mediocre) down in the weeds to fight (where 7 out of 10 planes you will encounter easily out-turn you with a merely average pilot) in the same situations you do in your uber-turner Spitfire I'll start listening to your critique of the rest of the non-Spit flying world. It's pretty easy to sit atop your Spitfire mountain top and proclaim down to the non-uber-turner flying world that stallfighting on the deck is the ONLY valid form of fighting.

Umm I do there shecky .  F4Us, P47s, 190s.  And again there you go putting words in my mouth that I did not say.  I think guys that e-fight agressively and don't need every advantage to engage are well worth fighting and running into.  Yeah a spit Vs your uber BnZr can be a fun fight when the BnZ is a good stick and aggressive.  Now your Hording, Perch sitting, needing every advantage, stay alive at all cost style is quite boring and usually the first level every noob reaches after they get wheels up and gain the patience to climb.

What?  I didn't get that, huh still no response to winging up.  Not a suprise. lol:rofl

[DipStick]

Originally posted by Guppy35
As long as you are having fun. That's all that matters.

And since no one's really dying and planes are free, might as well live a little and dive in to the pile.

That and check the ego at the door. There have to be better things to base your self worth on, then whether or not you are an uber AH pilot

BINGO! We have a winner. And all the rest is nothing but BS...

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by mars01
I don't brag about anything.  I have said time and again that I am an average stick at best.  With that said I don't have to be great to know what skill level it takes to fly your way or mine.   Umm I do there shecky .  F4Us, P47s, 190s.  And again there you go putting words in my mouth that I did not say.  I think guys that e-fight agressively and don't need every advantage to engage are well worth fighting and running into.  

This is the first time I've ever heard you say you are merely average. I also wouldn't call you getting 12 kills in a F4U this camp to 124 kills in the Spit XVI you being a diverse pilot.

Zazen

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by mars01
 Yeah a spit Vs your uber BnZr can be a fun fight when the BnZ is a good stick and aggressive.  Now your Hording, Perch sitting, needing every advantage, stay alive at all cost style is quite boring and usually the first level every noob reaches after they get wheels up and gain the patience to climb.

 

I don't know what planet you are living on but noobs don't E-Fight, they have no concept of E-Fighting, pure E-Fighting is a very subtle thing. You think some guy off the street can march into the MA up an E-Fighter and be able to judge relative E states of 10+ planes at a glance and apply that information to his tactics? They may alt to 10-15k or whatever if they have 10 minutes to kill but I have never seen a true noob E-Fighting. Noobs are all about getting to where the enemy is and grabbing a fist-full of instant gratification usually in a plane like the Spitfire, Niki or Hurricane.

Zazen

[DipStick]

Originally posted by Zazen13
I also wouldn't call you getting 12 kills in a F4U this camp to 124 kills in the Spit XVI you being a diverse pilot.

Do you base everything on stats/scores? And only for this camp?
 
If so I guess you would say I'm not diverse and only know the 38, eh?

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by DipStick
Do you base everything on stats/scores? And only for this camp?
 
If so I guess you would say I'm not diverse and only know the 38, eh?

Being diverse in the past or being able to potentially being diverse isn't relavant to what is happening in the present. Currently I am not diverse either, I could be though if I felt ike it! But, I'm not.


Zazen

[mars01]

This is the first time I've ever heard you say you are merely average. I also wouldn't call you getting 12 kills in a F4U this camp to 124 kills in the Spit XVI you being a diverse pilot

I have always said I am average, you are mistaking that with me saying I fly into above average situations.

As for my plane selections, I made that point, because you think that all I fly is a spit, when in fact I will fly just about everything.  I do enjoy turn fightings faster pace then E-fighting so I will log more hours in a knife fighter.  I think it still makes my point.

I don't know what planet you are living on but noobs don't E-Fight, they have no concept of E-Fighting, pure E-Fighting is a very subtle thing. You think some guy off the street can march into the MA up an E-Fighter and be able to judge relative E states of 10+ planes at a glance and apply that information to his tactics?

E-fighting is actually the starting place for many a noob.  It was mine as well.  E-Fighting means keeping up your speed, not over commiting as you put it, keeping good seperation.  Because of this the engagements are at a slower pace and your SA doesn't have to be perfect either, because you have seperation, speed and most of the time alt.

As a turn fighter you are usually slower and in tight.  you have to be quick becuase you don't have the seperation to slow things down.  Add a few more bogys and things get even faster and harder.

[mars01]

Being diverse in the past or being able to potentially being diverse isn't relavant to what is happening in the present. Currently I am not diverse either, I could be though if I felt ike it! But, I'm not.

Well it should at least get you up to speed and away from thinking that all I fly is a spit.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by mars01
Well it should at least get you up to speed and away from thinking that all I fly is a spit.

Well you don't always fly a Spit about the same as I don't always fly Typhoon.

Zazen

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by mars01

 E-fighting is actually the starting place for many a noob.  It was mine as well.  E-Fighting means keeping up your speed, not over commiting as you put it, keeping good seperation.  Because of this the engagements are at a slower pace and your SA doesn't have to be perfect either, because you have seperation, speed and most of the time alt.

As a turn fighter you are usually slower and in tight.  you have to be quick becuase you don't have the seperation to slow things down.  Add a few more bogys and things get even faster and harder.

Well ,that is not my experience. I have never known a noob that started off E-Fighting , they always start off turnfighting. I started off turnfighing myself, I didn't even know there was such a thing as E-Fighting until I had played three years flying only Spits and 109s. I personally find E-Fighting far more complex mentally (probably why it appeals to me, I was President of my Chess Club). Turnfighting is largely muscle memory and reflexes with a splash of SA and gunnery thrown in for good measure. As i pointed out earlier there is always cross-over, very few people are pure E-Fighter or turnfighters, we all do both to some extent.

Zazen

[Lye-El]

Talk about  thread hijack..............

[Simaril]

Since my earlier, apparently too subtle gibe didnt get through ---

Why dont you yammerers just get yourselves a room, and get out of this thread?I dont think anyone really cares which of your perspectives is "right."


Please go away, lest you be taunted a second time. (And trust me, you dont want to get hit with catapulted barnyard animals.)

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Simaril
Since my earlier, apparently too subtle gibe didnt get through ---

Why dont you yammerers just get yourselves a room, and get out of this thread?I dont think anyone really cares which of your perspectives is "right."


Please go away, lest you be taunted a second time. (And trust me, you dont want to get hit with catapulted barnyard animals.)

Not to be rude, but it's not exactly as though this thread had a real discussion topic. It was the graphic of a cover of a fictitous magazine that made light-hearted jabs at certains MA happenings (very funny stuff). The conversation then turned to the actual jabs and the subjects of those jabs. This is not a Hi-Jack of a discussion, look at the first 15 posts before our debate began, there's no discussion there, it's just good humor and general silliness. Had we not got into our little debate this thread would be on page 3 of this forum and un-read at all by now.

Have A Nice Day!

Zazen