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Offline Bodhi

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« on: December 17, 2005, 05:27:18 PM »
I would like to know what a timid pilot is.

I would also like to know how two players can engage in a 1 v 1 for 5 minutes and the one who loses can call the other a timid pilot and claim he is a better stick?

Seems to me that the pilot died, so he obviously is not the better stick....

Just an observation I saw tonight watching the banter from the losing pilot to the winner.
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Re: A timid Pilot
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2005, 05:33:33 PM »
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I would like to know what a timid pilot is.

I would also like to know how two players can engage in a 1 v 1 for 5 minutes and the one who loses can call the other a timid pilot and claim he is a better stick?

Seems to me that the pilot died, so he obviously is not the better stick....

Just an observation I saw tonight watching the banter from the losing pilot to the winner.


good question becaus flying smart is also flying timid.

only attacking with advantage...
using your planes strengths vs. the nme's planes disadvantages...
only committing to a fight when the outcome is inevitable...

and so on.

some will call it flying smart, some timid.  
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Re: Re: A timid Pilot
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2005, 05:39:51 PM »
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only attacking with advantage...
using your planes strengths vs. the nme's planes disadvantages...
only committing to a fight when the outcome is inevitable...

and so on.

That's more smart flying...

Timid flying would be more 1 vs 1, have 5k on enemy. Zoom down and "extend" 5k+.
When the enemy gets sick of following you and pulls off, turning back to zoom on it and "extend" another 5k.

If the pilot were smart it would climb straight up after missing his zoom, wait for his opponent to be in a bad position and time it so he can have a shot.

Extending 5k is not smart, it gives the opponent ample time to think of how he is going to evade the zoom.

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Re: Re: A timid Pilot
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2005, 05:47:06 PM »
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good question becaus flying smart is also flying timid.

 



They necessarily don't go hand in hand.  You can fly smart without being timid and vice versa.


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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2005, 05:47:56 PM »
Asked and answered:

Furballers -vs- Timid Pilots

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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2005, 05:49:00 PM »
Example: A few nights ago I was flying the P51D in the “Best” role. (Kill and not die)
I took bombs to A3 and destroyed a FH. I then exited the base hot on a freindlies trail (a spit was following him) I thought I would help him get the bandit off his six as he reported he had taken damage and he was going to have to land at A4. (A4 was HOT with NME)
I followed him in to A4.Within about 4 miles of the home base he barks out “ oh no. There’s a P38 ahead,” he sounded worried that he might get bounced. So I engaged the P38 From an E advantage as my fellow Bish landed safely at A4. Now…Do I fight the P38? Or just land and call it a good mission after getting m,y wingy home safely and dropping a FH at A3?  I decided to try my luck against the PJ. I turned back to the P38 who was trying to exit the area and get back home. I dove on his position and as suspected he did a wingover of sorts to reverse and get positioned for an HO merge. I pulled up gently in a climb as he glided under my belly…I extended in a gentle climb to about D2000 and repeated…he repeated also. At this point I knew I was going to have to try and close the Gap a bit, if i planned to land any hits. I reversed with a high yo-yo once again (a little closer this time,) and got shots on his canopy as he tried a break turn. I decided to stay in the saddle this time. I hit 2 flaps and rode out his six for about 270 deg’s of turn…as he started slipping away and inside my turn, I quickly disengaged knowing that my goose was about to get cooked. As I pulled into a climb at about 800 yrds and separating, he began laying rounds into my pony. I was getting nervous by now. I had 6 small holes in my right wing from Root to tip, and one BIG paint skint area in my left wing! I decided to level and extend a little faster. After he was about 2K behinde me he split off to RTB at his base about 15 miles away. I turned back and chased him to within 5 miles of his base and finished the now badly wounded PJ. the pilot was a "Known" good stick in the game. (Not going to mention names. No sloutch I assure you! I was glad I handled the fight the way I did after I knew who it was! Ahhh now we have arrived to the moral of this long winded story. LOL
Following the fight the "NME PILOT" gave me a textual toung lashing! LOL
Here is the transcript from the film viewer.

This is the transcript from the film with all other player text removed.

NME:200. you are the most boring timid pilot ive “flown” against in a long time.
MugZ:200 sorry bud
MugZ:200 ill DA with ya. It was one fight.
NME:200 . it was 1v1 there, whats the difference? I had wounded pilot after your first bounce.
MugZ:200. me in P51…you in P38J…I think I did what I had better done. Youd kicked my butt…I suck.
NME:200. glad you finally decided to come back after you was 5K away. When I was down to one engine.
MugZ:200. you didn’t say. Least I didn’t see if ya did.
NME:200 I said it a few times on 200
MugZ:200. . had I been more aggressive…youd have killed me. But I guess that woulda been ok?
NME:200 been more aggressive, you prolly woulda got me in one of my many blackouts. you pinged me up bit by bit
MugZ:200. you are mistaken..more aggressive..i woulda lost against you.
I really do suck
MugZ:200. sorry bout that then bud
At this point I checked the Roster because he wasn’t responding to my last 2 comments. He logged off.
Its this type of CH200 dialog that can cause many of us to get real tiered of AH.
A good stick gets caught with his hands down his pants and is toasted by a “Lesser” pilot.
Then the belly aching starts! One must practice good restrain and stay focused so he doesn’t FLY THEIR FIGHT!
Bottom line…He got his BUTT shot off, regardless of how it was done!
He explained how I “COULD" have killed him while his blood was staining the waters of the deep blue SEA.
Hope the Damn Sharks eat his stinky carcas!
The Moral of the story?....Fly the way you feel you need to. Ignor the NME....for he IS DEAD!  
In now way do i want to make the NME pilot that was engaged in this transaction feel bad. He is a good guy and i respect him. I believe this is the exchange that you are refering to sir.
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That's more smart flying...

Timid flying would be more 1 vs 1, have 5k on enemy. Zoom down and "extend" 5k+.
When the enemy gets sick of following you and pulls off, turning back to zoom on it and "extend" another 5k.

If the pilot were smart it would climb straight up after missing his zoom, wait for his opponent to be in a bad position and time it so he can have a shot.

Extending 5k is not smart, it gives the opponent ample time to think of how he is going to evade the zoom.

Distance of Extension depends on the NME AC and his E state
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2005, 05:53:11 PM »
The best is when a guy with an alt advantage calls a lower guy timid if the lower guy refuses to point the nose up and get roped by the higher guy.

Calling somone timid because they will not roll over and give you all the advantage is funny to me. Actually, whining is funny to me.......so pointless and boring to cry on 200 about anything.

I don't understand why some people have to continually cry like girls on 200.

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2005, 06:04:07 PM »
he needed an out! he lost and did not get to stroke his ego

sometimes it is not worth the popcorn and soda to tune to channel 200

seems the same as it ever was, funny how things supposedly change yet still remain the same........:cool:
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2005, 06:07:38 PM »
TC...i have a good F4U clip for ya. Me in P51...Blukitty in C-Hog. Kicked my butt!

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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2005, 06:12:21 PM »
I was completely *****ed out for finding a P51 at 5K in the middle of nowhere, when I was at 10K in a Typhie and dove down and killed him

Actually tuned to me and called me every name in the book for attacking "with alt advantage".  I think I was supposed to chop throttle, descend to his altitude, and engage from my 6.

Bader said, "This isn't a bloody game of rugby."      The aces of WWII rarely engaged without advantage.

Of course, when I can just re-up, I am far more willing to dive into impossible odds.  

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Re: Re: Re: A timid Pilot
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2005, 06:29:44 PM »
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They necessarily don't go hand in hand.  You can fly smart without being timid and vice versa.


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That's exactly correct. Show me a purely timid pilot and I'll show you a guy who isn't killing anything. On the other hand a smart pilot is selectively aggressive or selectively timid as the case may be. Too many times I have heard timidity ubiquitously used as a term to describe anyone who won't fight where, when, how, if the name-caller wants to. I'm not sure how many here are military history buffs but one common thing all battlefield commanders pride themsleves on is the ability to engineer circumstances whereby they dictate when, where, how, and if a fight occurs, it's called maintaining strategic initiative. Flying smart is simply using this initiative to manipulate others into falling into YOUR trap while avoiding  falling into THEIR trap. I use the term Tactical Awareness to describe 'smart flying'. Smart Flying/Tactical Awareness is knowing, instantly, intuitively :

A) When to engage
B) When to disengage
C) When to get low and slow
D) When not to get low and slow
E) When to stay high and preserve energy
F) When to switch targets mid-fight

This may seem very subtle, but more than anything except possibly gunnery this mystical 'Tactical Awareness', which is basically the active principle of Situational Awareness, determines the success or failure of the average MA fighter pilot.

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2005, 06:47:27 PM »
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Its this type of CH200 dialog that can cause many of us to get real tiered of AH.


And it is the exact type of diatribe that prevents me from tuning 200 to start with. ( Except when CMing.. where it's my job.. sigh )

200 is optional.. sorta like adding mandatory 24 hour hip-hop to your Jeep's Infinity Gold sound system.  

Bah.. don't need it.

Besides, I really don't want to see all the meltdowns I cause due to HOs and puffy ack kills.. :D
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2005, 06:56:54 PM »
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200 is optional.. sorta like adding mandatory 24 hour hip-hop to your Jeep's Infinity Gold sound system.  
 


I thought 24hr hip hip was mandatory on any Jeep product....?
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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2005, 06:59:34 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2005, 07:06:15 PM »
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I thought 24hr hip hip was mandatory on any Jeep product....?


Ya know.. now that you mention it..

I've never heard hip hop eminating from a Jeep.

Maybe it's a regional thing.

Well, ok, there was that time when I had Ton LOC running for a while ( Wild Thang )

But.. . other than that..
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