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Offline SMIDSY

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« on: December 19, 2005, 11:26:05 AM »
I am making this post to comemorate the brave sacrifice of the submariners of the Kriegsmarine in the Second World War. I got about halfway through adding up the losses but it just got too depressing at around 4,000. In total, 1,151 U-Boats were lost durring the war.
 
U-Boats hold a special place in my heart. These brave men turned to the sea to make something of themselves and bring pride to the fatherland. In spite of staggering losses they mantained relatively high morale and faught on untill the end.

Here are some faces of the U-Boat fleet.






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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2005, 11:28:21 AM »
You have got to be kidding.
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Offline SMIDSY

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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2005, 11:30:27 AM »
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You have got to be kidding.


about what?
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Offline deSelys

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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2005, 11:33:50 AM »
Brave men, I won't deny that.

OTOH they were mostly attacking merchant shipping and were issued orders to machine gun the survivors of sunken ships (to be honest, a non negligible part of captains never accomplished those infamous orders).

The nazi submarine total war is not to be forgotten, but there is nothing to commemorate IMO.
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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2005, 11:43:39 AM »
most germans in the Kriegsmarine were not nazis. in fact they almoast never made the nazi salute even in the presence of hitler himself. i am commemorating their devotion to duty and their sacrifice for the sake of honor. are these not ideals that our country holds most dear? why can we not respect our adversaries of years gone by? and must we cling to the foolish idea of "every german was a filthy nazi"?



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we waged total war on japanese shipping, does that mean our submariners dont get to be commemorated?
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2005, 12:15:39 PM »
I think it's more a question of the ideals they were protecting. Sure the men were brave, so are suicide bombers if that is the only critereon for respect. I don't think so.
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2005, 01:00:33 PM »
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I think it's more a question of the ideals they were protecting. Sure the men were brave, so are suicide bombers if that is the only critereon for respect. I don't think so.


You kinda have to look at it like this....You don't expect that what you are fighting for is an evil cause. I don't expect if we were out doing evil we'd even realize it.
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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2005, 01:25:09 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2005, 01:26:03 PM »
I would rather commemorate the sacrifice of the allied merchant marines and others who died as a result of hitlers submarines forces.

But if you want to pay homage to hitlers military, feel free.  I think I know where your coming from though and I dont begrudge you, I just think there is a more valuable place and a more deserving force to pay your respect to.
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2005, 01:29:32 PM »
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...bring pride to the fatherland.


And maybe aid Hitler in his plans for world domination?

Respecting someone is one thing, glorifying them is quite another...
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« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2005, 01:48:46 PM »
ve ver not natizs, all za natizes died in za var!  yah
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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2005, 02:50:26 PM »
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most germans in the Kriegsmarine were not nazis. in fact they almoast never made the nazi salute even in the presence of hitler himself.


Formal Nazis or not, the German population in general, and by extension the military made up of that population, had strong support for Hitler through the 1930s - 40s. Estatic, by and large, with the early successes in the War, that support never fully wained even in the dark final years. Some from that generation, not even formal Nazis, still admire Hitler to this day -- if only, what might have been...

Misled, sure. Indoctrinated, sure. Deluded, unwilling to consider the "big picture," sure. Unaware of the full depth of the Nazi horrors, sure (but, nobody seemed all that concerend about exactly what was happening to their untermensch neighbors once they boarded that train for "resettlement" in the East). They reaped what they sowed. Brave but criminally misguided men who gave up their lives for less than nothing and took the lives of many good men in the process. Pay more attention next time, perhaps.

The White Rose students, and Canaris are some of my German heroes from the period. Brave, morally strong, took action when even others  who saw the perversion of the Nazis failed to act...

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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2005, 06:38:33 PM »
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You have got to be kidding.


Nah, he's bucking for Forum Post potato.   A pointless thread that is just here to stir up the water.

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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2005, 08:55:02 PM »
i made this thread because it seems that nobody cares about the sacrifice that enemy soldiers made. in the end we are all human beings. the point of this thread is also to showcase the tragedy of war for ALL sides. the very fact that most of you say that all germans were evil is insane. many of these commanders were in the kriegsmarine before hitler rose to power and many stayed after.
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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2005, 10:21:05 PM »
If they weren't nazis what were they? The german underground resistance navy ?
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