and the war on the poor is stepped up a notch

[bj229r]

Even the Democrats have been aghast about our budget deficits of late, so they try to trim 39 billion out of a......gaZILLion....by doing stuff like cutting the RATES OF INCREASE (THAT means they STILL get more than last year) of several programs. (At any rate, deficit projections have been revised downward by a far bit, as revenues have increased a lot since the recession of pre and post 9/11)

[lazs2]

well... the constitution gives the government the power to raise an army for the defense of the nation but it doesn't give them the right to raise an army to extort money out of me to pay for your medical care.

I don't like paying for wars either but.... they get paid for... maybe in 10 years but they do get paid for...

Your friggin medical bills just get bigger and bigger and bigger for eternity.  They never end.

Maybe if you weren't paying so much in taxes you could afford medical insurance?

lazs

[capt. apathy]

you know I was just thinking about what the basic responsibility of our nation is to it's people.  our "mission statement" is laid out fairly well in the pre-amble of the constitution.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

1. establish justice
2. insure domestic tranquility
3. provide for the common defense
4. promote the general Welfare
5. secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity.

I see "promote the general Welfare" laying our a reasonable justification for a national health plan.  while not a mandate it certainly doesn't run contrary to our purpose.

while "securing the blessings of liberty"  and "providing for the common defense"  would justify the need to go to war, they sure wouldn't apply to this war.

this administration pisses away billions in someone else's country, and gives huge tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans, doing a major about face on the previous trend to end deficit spending, then has the nerve to let the poor and the elderly shoulder the burden by cutting their health care, and limiting their children's opportunity to Sucre a better life for themselves by continuing education beyond what their families can provide.

[LePaul]

Taxbreaks to the wealthiest of Americans

Uh huh.

Well let's see, my taxes have steadily gone down and I make under $40k a year.  Now you can complain all you want about taxes being too low...and as a citizen, you have the means (and the IRS has the paperwork) for you to pay more.  So if you are so content with everyone paying huge taxes to settle your conscience, feel free to mail in 40%, 60% or 80% of your income.

Those small decreases have made it possible for me to replace some windows in my home and several other energy saving projects.

Those taxbreaks help those of us in the middle out.  The rich will always be rich, no matter what amount you try to squeeze from them.

And the poor will always be poor, despite all the money you toss at them.  Its up to them to desire to be more than they are.

[BigGun]

huge tax breaks to the wealthy? Surely you joke. Who pays almost all of the taxes in the US? The wealthy. How much of the total personal tax revenue collected on an annual basis do you think the top 10% of the wealthy pay? Come on, lets hear your well informed guess. Look it up & then lets hear your arguement to how come that is fair.

Also, all ready stated in another post today, most people are in there job & eocomic situation because of choices they made along the way, maybe no college, poor grades in HS cuz screw around & whole host of other reasons. People should accept personal responsibilty for their decisions that lead them to where they are at. If you are relying on the government to provide for your welfare, you are foolish. I sure don't want my $$ going to provide for the welfare of people that have made poor choices. I work to hard to provide for my own personnal welfare & my family.

[Lye-El]

Originally posted by lazs2

Maybe if you weren't paying so much in taxes you could afford medical insurance?

lazs

Especially at the top of the minimum wage scale. Bought any lately?

[LePaul]

Pft, I havent seen even the burger joints paying minimal wage in years.

Most of those places around here are screaming for employees.  The local mall I work Saturday's at hires kids for between $8 and $8.75

But hey, by all means, dont be turned off by the facts

[capt. apathy]

what facts?

most jobs I see (and I've been looking) pay somewhere between 7.25 and 9.

at my previous job the contribution for our health&welfare plan (payed by the employer as part of our contract)was just under $9 per hour.  doesn't leave much for luxuries like a roof or food.

my mother in-law has a good job, has had it for 20 years. manages a bank branch.  her husband is sick, virtually every penny of her income goes to medical care, they are living off his retirement and second mortgages.

yes there are new jobs, but Wal-mart, or one of those new manufacturing jobs (manufacturing burgers at Burger King) aren't going to pay enough to support your family in this economy.

this administration has a national health plan.  plan not to get sick, or you're gonna die.

[Dowding]

"I haven't seen Berlin yet, from the ground or the air, and I plan on doing both, BEFORE the war is over."

The war ended 60 years ago. And Berlin is excellent place to visit. So I'm not entirely sure why you have this quote as a tag-line...

[FUNKED1]

Dowding was the name of an RAF strategist.  Are you trying to impersonate him or something?

[JBA]

By how much did these programs increase? Maybe not have been as much as the Dems wanted, but they still increased.



4. promote the general Welfare


I see this as Stay the F out of my business. Provide roads, law, security, and judicial systems.

Not give away:
syringes, to junkies
Turkey basters lesbians,
Meth, to drug attacks
Prescription drugs to any one over 65
Food to those who chose to drop out of high school
housing to anyone with kids and NO husband
etc.etc.

[Shaky]

Originally posted by Dowding
The war ended 60 years ago. And Berlin is excellent place to visit. So I'm not entirely sure why you have this quote as a tag-line...

Hilts, played by Steve McQueen, is a character from the movie "The Great Escape". The quote is a line of his from the movie.

[lazs2]

promote the general welfare has nothing to do with extorting money from one citizen to give to another or to running a helth care industry.

You simply want someone else to pay for stuff you can't or won't afford.

Why should you even get $5 or $7 an hour when there are people who are homeless.... maybe you should be paying more for them?   Once you have brought those poor wretches up to your level then we will talk about what you need.

see?  It is only good to have "free" stuff and help poor people when you are the benificiary... you don't really want anything but to make other people pay for what you won't work for.

lazs

[RedTop]

This thread has potential....Think I'll have my bowl of Chilli and Crackers w/ a Coke and watch.





Please................continu e

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by lazs2

Maybe if you weren't paying so much in taxes you could afford medical insurance?
lazs

Bingo.
Side Note: Funny how one tax payer tells another "I dont want to pay for your stinking program" The ones being accused of living on "taxpayers" money is many times a "taxpayer" themselves. None the less..Paying taxes isn't an option. End Note.
 "Give me my FRIKIN tax money and ill spend it as i please! Med Insurance, Food, Utility bills and so on! Sure the government could reduce our taxes enough to let all afford the things we "Need" But then some utility company will raise the bar and take it all back.