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and the war on the poor is stepped up a notch
« on: December 21, 2005, 11:22:00 AM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10559749/

WASHINGTON - The Republican-controlled Senate passed legislation to cut federal deficits by $39.7 billion on Wednesday by the narrowest of margins, 51-50, with Vice President Dick Cheney casting the deciding vote.
The measure, the product of a year's labors by the White House and congressional Republicans, imposes the first restraints in nearly a decade of federal benefit programs such as Medicaid, Medicare and student loans.
"This is the one vote you'll have this year to reduce the rate of growth of the federal government," said Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, in a final plea for passage.
But Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada countered that the GOP was advancing "an ideologically driven, extreme, radical budget. It caters to lobbyists and an elite group of ultraconservative ideologues here in Washington, all at the expense of middle class Americans," he said.
Cheney flies back in nick of time
Republicans signaled earlier in the week they would need the vice president to be present for the final vote on deficit cuts, and he flew back early from an overseas diplomatic mission.
"The vice president votes in the affirmative," he said, speaking only a few words as dictated by Senate custom. He wasn't the only one who made an unexpected trip back to Washington. Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., flew back on Tuesday night. He has been recuperating at home from knee replacement surgery, and he made his way into the Senate with the aid of a walker.
The roll call delivered less than the final victory Republicans had hoped for.
In maneuvering in advance of the final vote, Democrats succeeded in forcing minor change that will require the House to return to Washington to vote on the bill before it can be sent to President Bush for his signature.
Passage is all but certain, but the timing remains in question, since most House members have returned home for the holidays.
The vote came on the first of two major measures facing tests in the Senate during the day.
On the second, Republicans maneuvered to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling. Democrats opposed that measure with a filibuster, and Republicans scrambled for the 60 votes needed to prevail.
Cuts make small dent in deficit
By themselves, the deficit cuts included in the five-year bill would amount to only 2.5 percent of projected shortfalls totaling $1.6 trillion over the same time frame. Republicans said the significance lies in more than mere numbers, adding that programs such as Medicare and Medicaid threaten to consume an unsustainable amount of federal revenue if their growth is not trimmed quickly.
Home health care payments under Medicare would be frozen at current levels for a year under the bill, Medicaid regulations would be changed to make it harder for the elderly to qualify for federal nursing home benefits by turning assets over to their children.
Lender subsidies are reduced as part of an attempt to squeeze $12.6 billion from student loan programs. Another provision raises $3.6 billion for the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., the federal agency that protects certain pension plans. The money would come from an increase in the premium employers pay for each covered worker or retiree, and from a fee on companies that end their pension plans.
Billions more would come from programs unrelated to benefit programs. The legislation assumes $10 billion in federal receipts from the sale of part of the analog spectrum, for example.
Five Republicans cross party lines
All 44 Democrats voted against the measure, as did Sen. James Jeffords of Vermont, an independent. Five of 55 Republicans crossed party lines to oppose the bill as well. They were Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine, Gordon Smith of Oregon, Mike DeWine of Ohio and Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island. Of them, Chafee, DeWine and Snowe are seeking re-election next year.
It was the seventh time since Cheney became vice president that he used his powers to break a tie vote, according to records maintained by the Office of the Secretary of the Senate.
With lawmakers eager to adjourn for the holidays, the Senate moved almost immediately into a debate on the ANWR oil drilling provisions.
The outcome of that vote, too, was too close to call. This time, Cheney was not a factor, though, since supporters of the bill needed 60 votes to overcome last-ditch Democratic opposition.

Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2005, 11:30:02 AM »
People complain whether the government spends or cuts.

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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2005, 11:31:32 AM »
I never realized they were at war with me and my broke ass.
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2005, 12:04:53 PM »
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The measure, the product of a year's labors by the White House and congressional Republicans, imposes the first restraints in nearly a decade of federal benefit programs such as Medicaid, Medicare and student loans.


We are waging war on the poor by giving them less taxpayer money?

This is interesting, considering that many poor in America are defined as such because they can't afford to go to college without student loans... like I did.  Payed for four years by living like a hermit and working hard.  

Go to the third world and see poor with no plumbing, no hospital to go to even if they could afford it, no sewage systems other than that which is running on the surface thru town.
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2005, 01:18:17 PM »
I'd define poor by not being able to afford basic medical attention.

why is it we have no problem finding billions to fight a war to (at least today anyway, I'm sure we'll be there for a different reason if this one stops working) liberate Iraq, but we can't find the money for basic medical care for our own citizens?

we can blow up and rebuild Iraq, but my neighbor gets sick & is dying, his family's finances are devastated, all resources and efforts in the family go to wards caring for him(not sure what he has, there was some talk of naming the condition after him a few years back.  not an 'honor' I'd ever want to receive).  his wife and child (who moved back in to care for her parents) have to forgo medical attention since there is simply no money left after trying to keep him alive.  finally after 4 or 5 years of neglecting her own health so her husband/family can survive, his wife simply has to go to the emergency room as her deteriorating health is so far gone that it can no longer be ignored, regardless of the fact that she can't afford it.  her diagnosis "your cancer is systemic, if we could have diagnosed you 3 or 4 years ago we might have been able to do something for you but at this point you should focus on getting your affairs in order and spending time with your family"

the daughter may need a kidney transplant, due to damage mostly brought on by not getting basic medical attention after simple kidney infections.  her mother is the most likely donor.  

meanwhile he gets to live not only with his pain, reduced life, and impending demise but also with the likely hood that caring for him has killed his wife and maybe even his daughter.

this is a war, there are casualties.

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2005, 02:20:54 PM »
How is a war on socialism and the extorting of money from people a "war on the poor"?

Why do I have to pay for anyones medical care?

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2005, 03:25:09 PM »
why do I have to pay (signifigantly more btw) for a war in Iraq against people who've never been a problem for me?  why is it that their schools, and hospitals are a priority over mine when spending my money?

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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2005, 03:38:20 PM »
Sounds like the war on taxpayers has been stepped down a notch.

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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2005, 06:45:06 PM »
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I'd define poor by not being able to afford basic medical attention.

why is it we have no problem finding billions to fight a war to (at least today anyway, I'm sure we'll be there for a different reason if this one stops working) liberate Iraq, but we can't find the money for basic medical care for our own citizens?

we can blow up and rebuild Iraq, but my neighbor gets sick & is dying, his family's finances are devastated, all resources and efforts in the family go to wards caring for him(not sure what he has, there was some talk of naming the condition after him a few years back.  not an 'honor' I'd ever want to receive).  his wife and child (who moved back in to care for her parents) have to forgo medical attention since there is simply no money left after trying to keep him alive.  finally after 4 or 5 years of neglecting her own health so her husband/family can survive, his wife simply has to go to the emergency room as her deteriorating health is so far gone that it can no longer be ignored, regardless of the fact that she can't afford it.  her diagnosis "your cancer is systemic, if we could have diagnosed you 3 or 4 years ago we might have been able to do something for you but at this point you should focus on getting your affairs in order and spending time with your family"

the daughter may need a kidney transplant, due to damage mostly brought on by not getting basic medical attention after simple kidney infections.  her mother is the most likely donor.  

meanwhile he gets to live not only with his pain, reduced life, and impending demise but also with the likely hood that caring for him has killed his wife and maybe even his daughter.

this is a war, there are casualties.

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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2005, 07:12:17 PM »
what all this whining about?
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2005, 07:24:01 PM »
Umm, we reduced projected spending.

When's the last time you heard someone on Medicaid COULDNT get the care they need?  

Heck, they've got it made compared to the medical plan my workplace offers.

Next time I need to go to walk-in care, I'll say im an illegal  

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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2005, 08:06:51 PM »
BAM!!!

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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2005, 08:56:31 PM »
Lame troll.  No one can honestly belive there is an active war on the poor.  Think about it, us greedy Republicans can't Take your money if you don't Have any.  We want you working, earning, and spending.  Get it?  You make more, We make more.  You go broke, we make less.  We Want you poor?  Don't be stupid.

Only ones I see complaining about it are those who would rather not work.  So don't, but don't expect me to pay for it.  Work, buy medical insurance instead of a color TV.  Walk to work or Bike instead of a car.  Amazing how much money is there to spend if it's not wasted.  But again, I have to pay for someone elses inability to think for themselves?  I don't think so.

Want a car, a color tv AND medical insurance?  Get an education, earn more.  Really not a difficult concept.  I don't understand how people Cannot understand that and expect someone else to take care of them.  That's what Mom and Dad are for, I am neither.
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2005, 09:11:21 PM »
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Sounds like the war on taxpayers has been stepped down a notch.

Bingo !

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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2005, 09:11:42 PM »
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Lame troll.  No one can honestly belive there is an active war on the poor.  



Its the same as the war on Christmas:)

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