Russia practises offensive actions near Latvian and Estonian borders

[ATA]

Originally posted by ATA
Deleted.

5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.

I guess Finland fighting for Nazi's in WW2is cosidered to be"Flamebaiting, trolling,"
Red propaganda that is.

[ATA]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Really the whole thing is hilarious. Russia? Who gives a rat`s patunia? In these days Russia is like the "before" picture in the old Joe Weider adds flexing muscle they can`t back up. Face it..Russia is over........done........caput ...........a pile of dinasaur bones slowly fossilizing. He`s dead Jim.

Russia is 1500 years old,America is little over 200?
Come back in another 1300 years,we'll talk about it.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by ATA
Russia is 1500 years old,America is little over 200?
Come back in another 1300 years,we'll talk about it.

The early beginning

Tradition says the Viking Rurik came to Russia in C.E. 862 and founded the first Russian dynasty in Novgorod. The fact is that in the course of the 9th century, Viking tribes from Scandinavia moved southward into European Russia, tracing a path along the main waterway connecting the Baltic and Black Seas. The various tribes were united by the spread of Christianity in the 10th and 11th centuries; Vladimir the Saint was converted in 988. During the 11th century, the grand dukes of Kiev held such centralizing power as existed. In 1240, Kiev was destroyed by the Mongols, and the Russian territory was split into numerous smaller dukedoms. The Mongol Empire stretched across the Asian continent and Russia was put under the suzerainty of the Khanate of the Golden Horde. The next two centuries saw the rise of Moscow as a provincial capital and centre of the Christian Orthodox Church.

In the late 15th century, Duke Ivan III acquired Novgorod and Tver and threw off the Mongol yoke. Ivan IV, the Terrible (1533-84), first Muscovite tsar, is considered to have founded the Russian state. He crushed the power of rival princes and boyars (landowners), but Russia remained largely medieval until the reign of Peter the Great (1689-1725), grandson of the first Romanov tsar, Michael (1613-45). Peter made extensive reforms aimed at westernization and, through his defeat of Charles XII of Sweden at the Battle of Poltava in 1709, he extended Russia's boundaries to the west. Catherine the Great (1762-96) continued Peter's westernization program and also expanded Russian territory, acquiring the Crimea, Ukraine, and part of Poland.

http://studyrussian.com/history/history.html

[Vad]

Originally posted by Toad
See?

Russian Comedy Gold.

You guys are THE BEST!

I knew that American have strange sense of humor, but I couldn't expect such a high appraisal of pure quote from your own Bureau of Justice.

Does simple finger make you laugh too?

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by ATA
Russia is 1500 years old,America is little over 200?
Come back in another 1300 years,we'll talk about it.

I had some really old boots. I also have a pair of new ones.
The older ones had served their purpose, but were totaly worn out and useless to anyone. They were thrown away. It`s about the same with Russia. It`s done. Stick a fork in it.

[lazs2]

Ok... so how many of his own people did stalin kill?

And.. If not in gulags..... where did he kill em?  in their beds?

What happened to the half a million german POW's from WWII?   Alien abduction?

could be the reason we don't know so much about russia is the big wall you guys built around your country and all the guards at the border and the secrecy and stuff..

lazs

[Hangtime]

There was no forced labor in Russia. Just enthusiastic people needing a bit of political re-orientation. Stalin wasn't a Russian. He's been cast from the pantheon of 'worthy' communists by the current intellegenzia. Western reports of Stalins pogroms, gulags and the starvation of the 'white' russians was merely trumped up western propaganda used to frighten thier citizens and excuse expensive arms race.

(figured I'd beat Boroda to the bull****)

*sigh*

Patton was right.

[Vad]

Originally posted by lazs2
Ok... so how many of his own people did stalin kill?

And.. If not in gulags..... where did he kill em?  in their beds?

What happened to the half a million german POW's from WWII?   Alien abduction?

could be the reason we don't know so much about russia is the big wall you guys built around your country and all the guards at the border and the secrecy and stuff..

lazs

If you really need this information, you can find it in the Net.
http://www.thewalls.ru/truth/repress.htm (in Russian)

From 1921 to 1953 in the Soviet Union 3.777.380 were convicted, among them 642.980  to death penalty,  2.369.220 to camps and 765.180 to exiles.

This numbers don't include POWs and criminals, it includes only convictions for counterrevolutionary activites, so you can consider this numbers as pure Stalin's repressions.

Numbers I gave before includes criminals, it is total number  of all prsioners excluding POWs on the 1st of January of each year.

POWs didn't included in this statisctics because they have never been in Gulag. If you need this datas I have found number 2.730.000 of POWS in Soviet captivity totally, among them 450600 died.  


Death rate among those who were in Gulag, aproximatelly by years:

1931  3.03%
1932  4.40%
1933  15.94%
1934  4.26%
1935  3.62%
1936  2.48%
1937  2.79%
1938  7.83%
1939  3.79%
1940  3.28%
1941  6.93%
1942  20.74%
1943  20.27%
1944  8.84%
1945  6.66%
1946  2.58%
1947  3.72%
1949  1.20%
1950  1.00%
1951  0.96%
1952  0.80%

Add this numbers to dead.


This is numbers from archives opened in 1991. This is truth as it is.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
The early beginning

I thought I already explained that I use a date when Kiev was found. 1500 years of Kiev was celebrated in 1982.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Jackal1
I had some really old boots. I also have a pair of new ones.
The older ones had served their purpose, but were totaly worn out and useless to anyone. They were thrown away. It`s about the same with Russia. It`s done. Stick a fork in it.

Stick a fork, really, try, I don't mind.

Russia is the only country that is able of completely destroying the US of A.

So - you are welcome with a fork and knife. What? Grapes are green and sour? Really?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
No Boroda it is you who have interesting history books which spew propaganda on you. In the land Boroda Finland wouldn't have a right to imprison foreign nationals at all. That's logic I guess, knowing how peaceloving and harmless the russian population was (and is). I mean why on earth would one want to imprison them? Beats me.

Earlier we were talking about relabeling things for convenience. This is one fine example of that, courtesy of the red party.

Civillians were put to prison camps, true. There was shortage of food, true. But who told you to invade and settle our land in the first place? When the russian troops invaded karelia, what was done to the civillian population left behind? Please, I would really like to know.

Boroda doesn't seem to see a difference between a prison camp and a death camp. I guess in Soviet Union those two things were synonymes.

1) AFAIK there was no "civilian population" left in Karelian Isthmus, Finns evacuated everyone, killing cows other animals that they could'n evacuate. Very wise.

2) It was Finland who invaded Soviet Karelia, moving as far as lake Onego, captured Petrozavodsk that is several hundreed km from Finnish border, and put civilians into "migrant-camps". Food problems are your problems, if you imprison innocent civilians, including kids in pre-school age - you have to feed them. Didn't they feed themselves when they were free? If you keep them locked and don't have food for them - then the purpose is to starve them.

3) Finnish POW camps had death-rate bigger then nazi concentration camps. You were guilty in violating Geneva conventions. In 1947 millions starved in USSR, kids were dieing, and every POW hold on Soviet territorry got his food ration that sometimes was two times bigger then what Soviet people had.

So - don't tell me fairy tales about Yollopukki.

I take this problem quite personally. My friend's Mother spent two years in a camp in Petrozavodsk, she was 7 years old.

[Eagle Eye]

Accually China is more of a nuclear threat than Russia as china has been able to maintain there weapons and train thier crews

Sorry Russia is a nudered,Declawed,Detoothed,Caged Bear.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Eagle Eye
Accually China is more of a nuclear threat than Russia as china has been able to maintain there weapons and train thier crews

Sorry Russia is a nudered,Declawed,Detoothed,Caged Bear.

China has 10 times less delivery capabilities then Russian Strategic Missile Corps. Go figure.

BTW, try wrestling with a "Declawed,Detoothed,Caged Bear". I'll send flowers to your family.

[lazs2]

Hmm... weird how two sites can have such different numbers.

this site says that stalin was directly responsible for the deaths of 20 million of his own people...  I would say tho that if you die in prison in large numbers it is a little more than a simple prison eh?

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm

lazs

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Boroda your so full of BS. Finland lost the war - if we had violated any international laws there'd be hell to pay afterwards.

Do you have any numbers on how many finnish citizens were convicted for violating the Geneva convention?