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« Reply #75 on: December 27, 2005, 08:54:47 PM »
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Please, remind me, who was the first to invent concentration camps, Americans in Civil War or Britts in South-Africa?
 


Please remind me... who perfected it?

Who still kept up the practice long after the previous worst practitioners of it lost WW2?

Does "Gulag" ring a bell? Or is that another thing that just didn't happen in Borodaworld?
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« Reply #76 on: December 27, 2005, 10:32:02 PM »
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Please remind me... who perfected it?

Who still kept up the practice long after the previous worst practitioners of it lost WW2?

Does "Gulag" ring a bell? Or is that another thing that just didn't happen in Borodaworld?


Toad, could you answer a simple question. Just "yes" or "no" if you please.

Who did invent concentration camps?

Were that Americans in Civil war? Yes or No, would you please.
Were that British in South Africa? Yes or No, would you please.

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« Reply #77 on: December 28, 2005, 03:39:01 AM »
So it's the typical denial of responsibility.

A russian murders a few people. He will ask: Did I invent this revolver yes or no?

ATA: If the nazis obtained a legal permit for the demonstration, the police is obliged to protect them by law (probably also in Riga). Or do you think (once again) that people who think otherwise than you should be outlawed, attacked and preferably sent to Gulags. :rolleyes:

If communists would obtain the same permit and nazis attacked them, they'd be  thrown to jail. We wouldn't see any crying about that though, would we?
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« Reply #78 on: December 28, 2005, 05:22:43 AM »
IIRC the conditions of the concentration camps in the boer war improved after the public learned of the conditions by a campaigner.  I can't imagine someone going against the government in russia, they would be killed.  

I wouldn't call the camps in russia concentration camps, they were forced labour camps.
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« Reply #79 on: December 28, 2005, 07:34:11 AM »
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Did I tell you a story about NATO F-16s based in Estonia? The report was that F-16 can't reach it's top speed over Estonia. Guess why? The country is too small. :lol


...and according to the NATO agreement, Polish Air Force are now taking it's turn to protect them airspace... :D
See you guys up there? ;-)

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« Reply #80 on: December 28, 2005, 07:38:22 AM »
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I can't imagine someone going against the government in russia, they would be killed.


...and eaten. Immediately, without salt.

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...and according to the NATO agreement, Polish Air Force are now taking it's turn to protect them airspace... :D
See you guys up there? ;-)


I promise we'll warn you 3 hours before "T" hour. Is it enough to pack your planes with canned sprats and take off heading home, so noone will say we genocided 5 Polish pilots? ;) j/k ;)

BTW, what planes do you use now?

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« Reply #82 on: December 28, 2005, 09:28:45 AM »
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So it's the typical denial of responsibility.

A russian murders a few people. He will ask: Did I invent this revolver yes or no?

 


VAD, there's your simple answer.

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Once again I thank all the Russians that contribute such material.

This thread was great for laughs. It's like hearing great old jokes one more time.
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« Reply #83 on: December 28, 2005, 10:05:40 AM »
the british invented concentration camps during their invasion of the boers lands in order to steal the diamonds and gold of south africa.  They did it after huge losses on the battlefield.

I am not aware of any concentration camps in the U.S. civil war.  there were POW camps with very poor conditions tho.

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« Reply #84 on: December 28, 2005, 10:27:44 AM »
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the british invented concentration camps during their invasion of the boers lands in order to steal the diamonds and gold of south africa.  They did it after huge losses on the battlefield.

I am not aware of any concentration camps in the U.S. civil war.  there were POW camps with very poor conditions tho.

lazs


Thanks Laz!

That's the perfect excuse for any country to continue to use concentration camps until the end of time! You da man!
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« Reply #85 on: December 28, 2005, 10:31:29 AM »
Yep... the brits were being slaughtered by the boer commando so they rounded up the families and let them die of starvation and disease..

the boer war is extremely interesting in how an armed militia could do against the finest and best trained and equiped army in the world (at the time)   The brit army was no match for the boer militia.

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« Reply #86 on: December 28, 2005, 10:43:11 AM »
concentration camps

These had originally been set up for refugees whose farms had been destroyed by the British "Scorched Earth" policy (Burning down all Boer homesteads and farms). However, following Kitchener's new policy, many women and children were forcibly moved to prevent the Boers from resupplying at their homes and more camps were built and converted to prisons. This relatively new idea was essentially humane in its planning in London but ultimately proved brutal due to its lack of proper implementation. This was not the first appearance of concentration camps. The Spanish had used them in the Third Cuban War of Independence that later led to the Spanish-American War, and America used them to devastate guerilla forces during the Philippine American War. But the concentration camp system of the British was on a much larger scale.

Background

With the discovery of gold in Transvaal, thousands of British settlers streamed over the border from the Cape Colony. The city of Johannesburg sprang up as a shanty town nearly overnight as the uitlanders poured in and settled near the mines. The uitlanders rapidly outnumbered the Boers on the Rand, but remained a minority in the Transvaal as a whole. The Afrikaners, nervous and resentful of the uitlanders' presence, denied them voting rights and taxed the gold industry heavily. In response, there was pressure from the uitlanders and the British mine owners to overthrow the Boer government. In 1895, Cecil Rhodes sponsored a failed coup d'etat backed by an armed incursion, the Jameson Raid.

The failure to gain improved rights for Britons was used to justify a major military buildup in the Cape, since several key British colonial leaders favoured annexation of the Boer republics. These included the Cape Colony governor Sir Alfred Milner, British Colonial Secretary Joseph Chamberlain and mining syndicate owners (nicknamed the gold bugs) such as Alfred Beit, Barney Barnato and Lionel Phillips. Confident that the Boers would be quickly defeated, they attempted to precipitate a war.

President Martinus Steyn of the Orange Free State invited Milner and Kruger to attend a conference in Bloemfontein which started on 30 May 1899, but negotiations quickly broke down. In September 1899, Chamberlain sent an ultimatum demanding full equality for British citizens resident in Transvaal.

Kruger, sure that war was inevitable, simultaneously issued his own ultimatum prior to receiving Chamberlain's. This gave the British 48 hours to withdraw all their troops from the border of Transvaal otherwise the Transvaal, allied with the Orange Free State, would be at war with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War

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« Reply #87 on: December 28, 2005, 11:01:19 AM »
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ATA: If the nazis obtained a legal permit for the demonstration, the police is obliged to protect them by law (probably also in Riga).
 


Nazis obtain a legal permit in Riga......are you listening for yourself?

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You love Nazis now?

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« Reply #88 on: December 28, 2005, 11:10:06 AM »
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VAD, there's your simple answer.

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Once again I thank all the Russians that contribute such material.

This thread was great for laughs. It's like hearing great old jokes one more time.


Wrong analogy, Toad, and it is clear for everybody who isn't biased.
Invention of concentration camps means "using of concentration camps", as against of invention of revolver. I can use revolver in shooting range, but nobody can use concentration camps for educational purposes.

So, British and Americans invented concentration camps and murdered a lot of people there, and they weren't punished neither legally nor morally for that. Looks like you don't feel sorry for their actions, do you? So, they are acquitted, at least in your eyes.

It is perfect excuse for everybody according case law.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2005, 11:34:20 AM by Vad »

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« Reply #89 on: December 28, 2005, 11:15:48 AM »
what is the death toll from American "concentration camps" again?

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