killing buffs

[tatertot]

ok after extensive research  you guys tell me what is 1)the best buff killer 2) THE BEST ANGLES 3) and who does this the best and why????

then ill tell you what i have learned from spending to much time in the dam laser taggers:D

[navajoboy]

Originally posted by tatertot
ok after extensive research  you guys tell me what is 1)the best buff killer 2) THE BEST ANGLES 3) and who does this the best and why????

then ill tell you what i have learned from spending to much time in the dam laser taggers:D

i find straight down from 1.5k/2k and start shooting at 800 out leading the bomber.... set convergence to 600...  i usually try for the wing and pass through or behind the plane and pull up back to 2k above the plane and repeat..

easiest would be with 190a8 but very successful with pony (ive killed 8 bombers in one sortie).  

but when i try this with 999000 i usually can get 2 bombers before he gets me...

[Krusty]

No 50cal armed plane is best for bomber busting. 190s are... okay... but the MG151s truly lack in hitting power. I unloaded my entire 500 rounds of 20mm from a 190F-8 into a single lancaster, and i'm not kidding -- he wasn't even smoking. Somebody else got the kill.

You can do it in anything with 2x20mm, but it's best if there are 4x20mm. Faster is better so you can overtake and reposition as you desire. Probably one of the best is the typh (speed and guns) but I've had some success with the Ta152 (2x20mm 1x30mm) and the chog (adequate speed, good firepower). Those are the "best" for it


That being said, anything with 20mms will do, as long as you're fast enough to get in, fire guns, and get out. Ki84 suffers in this area because it's slow, for example.

You want the BEST angle? Well, slightly high and dead ahead. But that angle is hard to get. If you land it you get an instant cockpit shot and POOF. Realistically? Oh, I'd say extreme high/low shots are best, but extreme high shots are harder to shoot back for the bombers and easier for you to get away (you're faster), but naturally that's if you have the alt to begin with.

[NoBaddy]

BEST PLANE Tempest - It has the climb and speed to get up to high buffs and of course, 4 Hizookas.

BEST ANGLE Any forward quarter angle. It's the tuffest shot for a buff gunner.

WHO DOES IT BEST The guy with the most patience. If you don't have the patience to properly set up your pass, you will end up dead 6 <--bad spot to be in.

[Morpheus]

110G2
190A8
Mossi
tiffy
tempest (if you like spending perks)
262 (if you like spending perks)
P38
P47
N1k

Basicly anything with more than 1 cannon or alot of 50 cals.

[navajoboy]

Originally posted by Morpheus
110G2
190A8
Mossi
tiffy
tempest (if you like spending perks)
262 (if you like spending perks)
P38
P47
N1k

Basicly anything with more than 1 cannon or alot of 50 cals.

wow .. good list...
surprise not to see the pony d on it...  

patients is the key..  especially in the pony... i mean climb above them.. you usually have the fuel to fly with them for a while..  if you come in co alt to them... your dead meat..

[crowMAW]

My personal record is 15 buff kills in one sorte with a P47 (8 .50cal selected).  If I'm specifically going buff hunting I take a Jug.  But it is not so hard to land quite a few buff kills in a Pony or F6F either.

Regardless of the plane, my tactic is to attack from 1.5-2k above; dive in about 45 deg angle; aim for wing root (I usually lead by putting the pipper on the cockpit); use a good dedicated stream of fire (2sec); once the buff is on fire, zoom back to alt and attack again once the buff you just attacked has exploded (fewer guns to shoot back).

[mars01]

Buffs are easy kills as long as you approach with speed from steep angles and aim for the cockpit, then they burst like bubbles.

[SkyLab]

F4U-1C for me, at least this tour.

I attack them the same way navajoboy described, however a head on pass usually works, espaecially if you have friends helping. It seems most buff drivers are more aware of their 6 than they are of there 12 o'clock positions.

[tatertot]

i would agree with the head on angles,guess it depends another good approach is fron 3 0r 9 oclock position,seems the guys who take a  45 degree angle approch works well,temp 190a8,and f4s are very tuff kills from guns in  my opinion.wing tips dont fall apart as fast.

Thats my key at least i aim for wingtips and make a slow spray across span of plane

 not sure how 999000 does it seems he gets more pilot wounds than i do

[tatertot]

if i make a gun cam film tonight can anyone post it for me ??? might explain what we see

[wetrat]

My favourite buff tagger (and only one I attack buffs that aren't AFK in) is hte 262. I won't go near any of the B-series buffs in anything else (skurred). I like to be doing about 500mph by the time I get to them, and I come in at a really high angle. Nearly perpendicular and above, but coming in a little from behind, so the spuds get a nice rake across the buffs. That, or if they've got enough alt, dive below them (like 3k range below them), get a bit ahead, then pull straight up and shoot for the belly. That can be kinda dicey (I've rammed lots of buffs doin that ), but you'll never get shot.

Pretty much any head-on angle works well too, but they tend to take longer to set up, especially if you're not in a jet.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by mars01
Buffs are easy kills as long as you approach with speed from steep angles and aim for the cockpit, then they burst like bubbles.

Yup, that's what I do, dive straight down on the cockpit. Lead bomber first so the pilot is disoriented re-jumping to a drone gun after his lead plane dies and can't shoot you on the way out from your pass...Typhoon/Tempest of Jug is best...



Zazen

[Lan784]

Ok i fly buffs in AH as a career...check the sig why.


The best buff killer is the 109G-14 cause of its cannons and also speed to get in front of the bomber quickly to set up his attack. Also 110s,N1K,262s,163s, and La5s and 7s.

The best angle is from the front upper left or right corners of the bomber. Aim for the wings. Also aonther good attack is from the side., its a good way to get all 3 bombers in 1 pass.NEVER EVER ATTACK FROM THE 6!!! U WILL DIE!!thats how i kill 262s so much


The best pilot is the smartess there is no better pilot than anyone else that can do this better.The smart ones will follow these tatics and not get killed. Paticence is a VERY KEY FACTOR!!. Look guys to whom are impatcient, those bombers AINT GOIN ANY WHERE!! take ur time and u will not die and they will.

[Krusty]

The bomber ain't going anywhere? I beg to differ. If the bomber is trying to shut your field down you need to press the attack. If the bomber is going to eject 3x in a row after dropping his bombs (happens a LOT lately, lot of retards out there) then there's a need to press the attack as well.

Patience is a virtue, yes, but so is shooting the othey guy down before he can do these things. I'll suffer a little damage happily as long as I kill 2 or 3 of the buggers in the process.