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Offline AKFokerFoder+

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« on: December 29, 2005, 12:58:11 PM »
I think I have solved my "Rubber Bullets" issues in AH2.

It has been horrible since version 2.6.  First I had video stuttering, CTD's and other frustrating stuff.  I got that cleaned up, but still had rubber bullets.  I would shoot the kee rap out of a bogey, and see someone else kill him, and I would not even get an assist.  Often they would fly away only smoking after 5 or 6 hits from 30mm guns.  I emptied 120 rounds at a 234 from a 163 at under 200 yards, with many many pings, and at the end his engine started on fire. It was frustrating :(

Anyways, I tried one more thing before dumping the game until the next version.  I replaced the LAN port on the mother board with a PCI ethernet card.  My guns are back to normal now, maybe better than ever.
It is like a new game.  I even got some kills last night with the 50 cals in a Pony D.  I had 2 kills, 5 assists, and 2 shot up bogeys ditched on me.  That is the most damage I have ever done with a load of 50 cals.

All in all, I am pretty optomistic that my AH problems are over until the next patch :)

Then we start again with the problem sloving :(
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2005, 01:07:12 PM »
Hmmmmm.........

I disabled the sound, net, etc....

Everything of such a nature on the MB!

Stuff that is a part of MB take valuable CPU time causing stutters, CTD's etc!!!

Add in the cards instead!  They take WAY LESS CPU time!
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2005, 10:19:05 AM »
wrag - not necessarily true.  

The data from the cards still have to travel to and from the MB busses, and has to use the CPU to process the input/output.

In fact, I would venture a guess that the two 'options' (onboard vs. cards) are equal in terms of MB/CPU workload, possibly even less 'efficient' from the cards due to IRQ and other technologies employed to handle the cards' data.

That being said, you can get much higher quality from a card in most cases (sound being the obvious) and should use newer/better cards in favor of sub-standard MB chipsets.  

Foder - sounds like you had a bad chipset or something with your MB Ethernet.  Musta been something faulty or just plain crappy hardware compared to your Card's hardware.  Congrats on fixing it!  

Its always a needle in a haystack when troubleshooting PCs, isnt it?
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2005, 10:35:00 AM »
check out this one which resulted in absolutely 0 damage: -

http://www.furballunderground.com/Guest/Furball/nodamage.ahf
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2005, 12:02:58 PM »
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wrag - not necessarily true.  

The data from the cards still have to travel to and from the MB busses, and has to use the CPU to process the input/output.

In fact, I would venture a guess that the two 'options' (onboard vs. cards) are equal in terms of MB/CPU workload, possibly even less 'efficient' from the cards due to IRQ and other technologies employed to handle the cards' data.

That being said, you can get much higher quality from a card in most cases (sound being the obvious) and should use newer/better cards in favor of sub-standard MB chipsets.  

Foder - sounds like you had a bad chipset or something with your MB Ethernet.  Musta been something faulty or just plain crappy hardware compared to your Card's hardware.  Congrats on fixing it!  

Its always a needle in a haystack when troubleshooting PCs, isnt it?


Hmmmm...............   guess I got 2 MB's with same problem then.  And I've apparantly only worked with other MB's with the same kinda problems.

Cause When I've installed SB pci512 or such on em and disabled the onboard network stuff and went to network cards EVERYTHING started working BETTER, FASTER, SMOOTHER, and NO major system issues have come up???????????????????
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2005, 12:47:23 PM »
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check out this one which resulted in absolutely 0 damage: -

http://www.furballunderground.com/Guest/Furball/nodamage.ahf


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2005, 12:51:35 PM »
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check out this one which resulted in absolutely 0 damage: -

http://www.furballunderground.com/Guest/Furball/nodamage.ahf


Looks like you hit him.  But I don't think you had rubber bullets furball.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2005, 01:28:24 PM »
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Foder - sounds like you had a bad chipset or something with your MB Ethernet.  Musta been something faulty or just plain crappy hardware compared to your Card's hardware.  Congrats on fixing it!  

Its always a needle in a haystack when troubleshooting PCs, isnt it?


Yep really sucks, especially when everything other than AH2 seems to be running smooth.  

I haven't tried play other on-line games, but last night I created my first Toon on a WOW server, but I didn't play the game.

One thing I have noticed in AH now is that I am shooting way too long on a bogey. It seems that instead of just shooting them down now, I am now obliterating them :O

I will have to learn to use less ammo per kill now, :aok
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2005, 01:34:14 PM »
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Originally posted by Furball
check out this one which resulted in absolutely 0 damage: -

http://www.furballunderground.com/Guest/Furball/nodamage.ahf


Cripes ... :confused: :( :furious
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2005, 02:18:18 PM »
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wrag - not necessarily true.  

The data from the cards still have to travel to and from the MB busses, and has to use the CPU to process the input/output.

In fact, I would venture a guess that the two 'options' (onboard vs. cards) are equal in terms of MB/CPU workload, possibly even less 'efficient' from the cards due to IRQ and other technologies employed to handle the cards' data.

That being said, you can get much higher quality from a card in most cases (sound being the obvious) and should use newer/better cards in favor of sub-standard MB chipsets.  

Foder - sounds like you had a bad chipset or something with your MB Ethernet.  Musta been something faulty or just plain crappy hardware compared to your Card's hardware.  Congrats on fixing it!  

Its always a needle in a haystack when troubleshooting PCs, isnt it?


Not quite true. Everything that's intergrated into mobo's are bottom of the line components, without the extra features that make them fast. They also don't have their own memory, and simply use memory installed on the motherboard.

I disabled my onboard sound & lan, installed a decent NIC and a creative audigy 2 gamer, and immediately jumped 30 fps using quake3 as my tried & trusted benchmark. Going from 260 to 290fps on timedemo1 is really a drop in the bucket, but when you're picky, every little bit helps... plus the sound quality of the audigy 2 vs the onboard sound is significant.
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2005, 05:22:11 PM »
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Looks like you hit him



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ya think? ;) :D
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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2005, 12:07:26 AM »
Yeah ... I think it's time for me to "retire" until the next patch.

I can deal with the issues with LW planes, I can deal with the Horde, I can even deal with "application of the collision code to enhance combat effectiveness."

But there's no point taking off in what is effectively an unarmed plane.
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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2005, 02:16:20 AM »
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Yeah ... I think it's time for me to "retire" until the next patch.

I can deal with the issues with LW planes, I can deal with the Horde, I can even deal with "application of the collision code to enhance combat effectiveness."

But there's no point taking off in what is effectively an unarmed plane.


I had some rubber bullets again tonight. I also shot down a Spit5 and then (with less than 100ms pings) "lost Host connection" and there I was looking at the desk top. I hammered the kee rap out of a buff

Later I flew C47s to get our radar back.  I think that having to fly cargo planes to undo what a few toolshedders had fun porking some unarmed buildings.

As for the LuftWobble rides, I just don't care anymore, it is meaningless to post on the BBS.  

I think I will retire until the next patch also.
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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2005, 11:22:15 AM »
If it was just me I'd figure, "OK, my connect sucks" ... or something like that. But a lot of guys I fly with are very, very experienced too and they're all seeing it. And I've edited Furball's films from scenarios ... his gunnery is scary-good, so that to me removes any notion of "pilot error."

I'm sure HT will figure it out. He always does. And I'm sure he'll get the LW rides right too.
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2005, 11:43:19 AM »
I'm suffering from rubber bullets too lately.

And when I fire 30mm only and actually do damage the lag between 30mm hit and the actual dmg is very noticable.
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