Author Topic: Serious wing loading (Read 2051 times)

Morpheus · « **Reply #45 on:** January 06, 2006, 08:38:20 AM »

I have all of them 89-04 on my PC. They are massive, HUGE files, and worth every dam meg. The smallest one is something like 106 megs. I will find the site for you to download them from.

I also have the engagement between Tomcats and two Libyan Mig 23s on film. If I cant find the site for that I will upload it to my server for you if you want.

NAVCAD · « **Reply #46 on:** January 06, 2006, 09:38:38 AM »

Mace:

You sound like you have experience on the flight deck, as do I, (Naval Aviator, 2 deployments to the Persian Gulf, lots of time at sea). However, as sexy as the F-14 is (yes it looks good) the principle reason for such a large aircraft was the Pheonix missile and the AWG-9 Fire Control. No other aircraft could carry the Phenoix, or simutaneosly track up to 10 bogeys at ranges up to 100 miles.

Yes the F-14 was a supurb dogfighter....butt.......

As a good friend of mine told me who flew F-14s in the fleet and was selected to instruct at Miramar (prior to the Marines taking it over)...."The finest fighter that I have ever flown (and he flew the aggressor F-5, A-4, and F-16N) was by far the F-16...". "...All things being equal as far as pilot ability, the F-16 will fly circles around the F-14..".

Now I certainly don't have any love for the "AirFarce" (Don't no one get offended, just a little interservice bantering) but they certainly hit the jackpot with the F-16.

Oh, and they have really pretty bases with 18,000 Ft runways and great O-clubs and Golf courses.

The Navy is restructuring the entire Air Wing. Fewer disimilar airframes means less logistical cost across the board. That is why the MH-60S and MH-60R helicopters are replacing the CH-46, SH-60F, HH-60H, SH-60B, and the SH-3s. On the fixed wing side, the A-6 is gone, S-3, and F-14. these will be replaced by the F-18 and the JSF. Fewer disimilar airframes means increased savings in the budget.

Do I think this is right? Well lets just say that my position here in the Pentagon keeps me from expressing ALL of my true feelings about this.:/

Anyway, a lot of babble, didn't mean to run on.....The F-14 is sexy, big, loud and looks great in an Airwing fly-over. But like anything else, it is time to retire them to allow for expanding technology and capability (god now I sound like my bosses here....eeek...

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Not a sermon....Just a thought....

NAVCAD

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John Wayne says it best in "The Sands of Iwo Jima"..."Life is tough, but it's tougher when your stupid"

jollyFE · « **Reply #47 on:** January 06, 2006, 10:47:00 AM »

Loud...try an F-111 low pass, or better yet be out on the trim pad doin a maintenance run on your F-5E with an 11 on 1 side and a brit F-4 on the other(red flag late 80's when I was a crew chief on the good ol' F5).

My fingers were touching each other I had them so far into my ears.

jolly

mauser · « **Reply #48 on:** January 06, 2006, 11:19:50 AM »

Thanks for the extremely informative post Mace! That echoes much of what I read over at airwarriors.com. No it's not a BBS for AW the game, but a forum dedicated to providing info about Naval/Marine aviation to prospective and current students in the program. I just lurk and learn of course. The bottom line for the Super Hornet seems to be money. Fewer airframes carried, more efficient use of money. Looks like lots of comprosmises to me. As a young kid in high school some 15+ years ago my favorite plane was the Hornet. My friend preferred the Tomcat. Years later I've changed my mind, and will probably never get the chance to see or hear a Tomcat fly in person.

I remember posting a link to a site that had most of the Fighter Fling videos downloadable. It's in the O Club somewhere, is that the one Morpheus? I grabbed a few, and yes they were hilarious. Seems like Tomcat crews view Hornets the same way AH people look at L-g..., err La-7s

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Furball · « **Reply #49 on:** January 06, 2006, 11:37:45 AM »

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Originally posted by Mace2004
Man Krusty, you opened a big can of worms and are wrong on every single count so sit back and take your medicine.

Mace

Morpheus · « **Reply #50 on:** January 06, 2006, 11:46:13 AM »

Here's the link. I knew I had it.

http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos.php?action=search&p=1&aircraft=35&type=aircraft&id=35&pp=10&s=id&o=desc

That should take you right to the Tomcats. If not the do a search and get ready to do A LOT of downloading. Im talking Gig's worth... You cant just download 1, they're all sick as hell.

indy007 · « **Reply #51 on:** January 06, 2006, 12:44:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Morpheus
Here's the link. I knew I had it.

http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos.php?action=search&p=1&aircraft=35&type=aircraft&id=35&pp=10&s=id&o=desc

That should take you right to the Tomcats. If not the do a search and get ready to do A LOT of downloading. Im talking Gig's worth... You cant just download 1, they're all sick as hell.

They have an amazing downloads section in general. Some of the EF2000 videos are really good. Watched one of them with a retired F-14A backseater. He was impressed with the manuvers.... but was still sure they could kill it if they wanted to, lol

btw, the site is supposed to only let you download 2 videos at a time. not a big deal when they average > 100mb @ 70k/sec, but still kind of annoying.

Morpheus · « **Reply #52 on:** January 06, 2006, 01:14:49 PM »

There are very few servers that let you download more than 2 at a time. Rather, the remarkable thing of this site is you have no download limit... Ie you could download every single vid they have on the site if you wanted to.

mauser · « **Reply #53 on:** January 06, 2006, 01:20:24 PM »

I guess since the Tomcat will be on it's way out this year, I'll grab the rest of the Fighter Flings. I only downloaded the latest one with the tributes. Other vids that I got that were kinda cool were a F-4 Phantom one done to the tune of Filter's "Hey Man Nice Shot," and some ANG F-16's taxiing and then lifting off (I just love that turbine-whine and the roar).

Morpheus · « **Reply #54 on:** January 06, 2006, 01:33:50 PM »

Grab the 2002 one... Its right after 9/11, it will give you chills, make your hair stand on end, and your blood will boil all at the same time. Kick arseeeeeeeee.

g00b · « **Reply #55 on:** January 06, 2006, 02:49:37 PM »

Anyone tried a wget on patricks site? Number 1 I'm curious if it will work at all. Number 2 I wonder how many gigs of videos there are on that site?

g00b

Morpheus · « **Reply #56 on:** January 06, 2006, 03:01:36 PM »

I am sure after the first 4 gigs they would notice something's up and cut you off. I got almost 3 gigs off that site in 1 night. All of the Tomcat film they had, the huge 30 minute long French A/F film which was almost 700 gigs. I thought my modem was going to catch fire.

mauser · « **Reply #57 on:** January 06, 2006, 03:06:53 PM »

Thanks for the head's up, will go for the 2002 first!

g00b · « **Reply #58 on:** January 06, 2006, 03:13:19 PM »

Stop downloading everyone, you're hogging all the bandwidth

indy007 · « **Reply #59 on:** January 06, 2006, 03:28:17 PM »

I've dropped all the way down to 23.5k/sec with a single download runnin, blah. Trying to get the 2003 film (already have '01 & '02). Morph is right though, imho, the '02 vid is the best one.