Author Topic: Perk the Spit 16!!!!!!! (Read 2413 times)

KD303 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 06, 2006, 01:32:43 PM »

Am I missing something?
So far on this tour (up to now, of course) the Spitfire MK VIII has killed 82 Spit MK XVIs
The MK XVI has killed 76 MK VIIIs.
So when they've fought each other, the MK VIII has come out on top more often. So I don't understand the problem with the MK XVI not being perked if it's not dominating the MK VIII which you don't want perked.

KD

indy007 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 06, 2006, 01:34:08 PM »

Anybody considered the fact that there could be more total killls & sorties with the introduction of maps with fighter towns? It's not like you have to up, climb for a few minutes, look for a fight, and start your engagement.

Now, you can jump in a fighter, up from a 5k base into a 1k fight, and start shooting immediately. You don't even have time for a smoke break since, for the most part, there's no climb out. The, with the non-stop fighters streaming into the area, escape options (especially in slow rides) are very severely limited.

I wouldn't be so quick to say 44k sorties in a SpitXVI is because it's uber. The biggest furball in the game never ends on some maps, and it's *right* there next to a convenient base on each side.

edit: okay, 1 fighter town that I know of. however, if it's up for an entire week, it's more than enough to skew the numbers with the 30 second trips to the fight.

Kev367th · « **Reply #32 on:** January 06, 2006, 01:39:10 PM »

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Originally posted by indy007
Anybody considered the fact that there could be more total killls & sorties with the introduction of maps with fighter towns? It's not like you have to up, climb for a few minutes, look for a fight, and start your engagement.

Now, you can jump in a fighter, up from a 5k base into a 1k fight, and start shooting immediately. You don't even have time for a smoke break since, for the most part, there's no climb out. The, with the non-stop fighters streaming into the area, escape options (especially in slow rides) are very severely limited.

I wouldn't be so quick to say 44k sorties in a SpitXVI is because it's uber. The biggest furball in the game never ends on some maps, and it's *right* there next to a convenient base on each side.

Thats just it, despite all the 'uber' XVI claims no stats come even close to supporting the claim.

Fighter v fighter last tour it managed a 1.06 K/D ratio.
Including GV, Buffs etc it rises to all conquering 1.14 LOLOLOLOLOL.

'Uber' for sure, .

Top 5 K/D non perked planes -
Tiffy - 1.507
K4 - 1.505
190D9 - 1.495
Ki-84 - 1.450
190A5 - 1.414

Yet people have the gall to suggest a 1.14K/D makes a Spit XVI uber, sorry nothing in the stats proves it.

Even the so called 'uber' XIV only manages 1.078 (consitently the lowest of all the perked planes by a LONG way, rest all manage 2.0+).

Its nothing to do with uber Spits, it about getting Spits outta the MA and making them 'Hanger Queens" like the XIV.

whels · « **Reply #33 on:** January 06, 2006, 01:54:24 PM »

Kev here are some speed #s wow is spit16 slow OTD.

SPIT 16 14 8 9
no wep / wep
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15k 368/385 398/413 363/380 375/383

10k 357/383 375/405 351/378 353/363

5k 336/363 352/382 330/358 331/341

otd 315/342 329/358 310/337 310/319

Kev367th · « **Reply #34 on:** January 06, 2006, 01:59:18 PM »

Whels I don't believe it's even in the top 10 fastest non perked planes.

whels · « **Reply #35 on:** January 06, 2006, 02:10:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Vuokko
Please give me some tips how I can fight against Spit XVI in 109G2/109G6?

i dont fly 109s much but id venture to say, rule 1 dont TnB vs spit16/8.
use speed/alt to BnZ the spit, keeping ur alt adv, maybe turn 1/2 turn for shots but keep speed n extend. if u get co alt/E then its time to extend away. G2 has speed advantage of about 10mph or more until OTD
where its just slightly faster.

Squire · « **Reply #36 on:** January 06, 2006, 02:13:25 PM »

No surprising, its essentially a 1943 LF IX with an "E" wing. Its not a 2000hp Griffon Spitfire like the XIV or XII is.

...but it is faster down low than an F.IX to be sure.

I would have preffered a "LF IX" designation as I said before folks see "XVI" and they think its supposed to be as fast as a XIV.

That and XVI and XIV are just too similar looking, and I think just causes confusion.

1A
VB
F IX
LF IX
LF VIII
F XIV

Makes more sense to me for differentiating them.

A LF IX (late) is exactly the same as a XVI.

whels · « **Reply #37 on:** January 06, 2006, 02:18:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
Whels I don't believe it's even in the top 10 fastest non perked planes.

Kev,

try just barely breaks into top 25 in speed.

Sketch · « **Reply #38 on:** January 06, 2006, 02:21:38 PM »

It is also a fact of that when you see a horde rolling in, it is full of Spit 16's and Lgay-7's. The way the 16 climbs is crazy, although going vertical with a 38 and flipping over on it is pretty funny

It is seen all over the arena, just like the La7.... all the time! You go to Fighter Town, it is there. Tank Town it is there.... it is all over, that I think might be one of the points trying to be made.

whels · « **Reply #39 on:** January 06, 2006, 02:25:27 PM »

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Originally posted by ChristCAF
It is also a fact of that when you see a horde rolling in, it is full of Spit 16's and Lgay-7's. The way the 16 climbs is crazy, although going vertical with a 38 and flipping over on it is pretty funny
It is seen all over the arena, just like the La7.... all the time! You go to Fighter Town, it is there. Tank Town it is there.... it is all over, that I think might be one of the points trying to be made.

well i see just as many la7s and nikis so they gona be perked too?

Karnak · « **Reply #40 on:** January 06, 2006, 02:36:25 PM »

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Originally posted by ChristCAF
It is seen all over the arena, just like the La7.... all the time! You go to Fighter Town, it is there. Tank Town it is there.... it is all over, that I think might be one of the points trying to be made.

So you perk it and now the VIII is all over the place. Perk that and we're back to La-7s all over the place and running away. Perk that and hello Typhies. Perk that and we have hordes of N1K2-Js. Those are perked now and we have gobs of P-51Ds. Oops, can't have that so we perk it and now Fw190D-9s are too common, dang, perk it. Where'd all these P-47Ns come from? Well, perk them. Dang it, now we have hordes of P-38Ls. A little perk and that is fixed but now we have too many F4U-1Ds. But perking it has always worked in the past. Confound them, they shouldn't all be using Ki-84s so will teach them by perking it. What to do about these Bf109K-4s though? Ah, perk them. The La-5FN seems to be over used, but not after we perk it. The Bf110G-2 is overmodeled and over used, so we perk it. Same with the P-38J apparently. And the Spit IX. When will people learn not to use the best free fighter? Well, they can't use the Bf109G-14 anymore as we perked it. Why would everybody like the Yak-9U so much? Well, perked and it they don't. Arghhh, stupid Seafire Mk II! Perked I say. Ect, ect, ect....

Kev367th · « **Reply #41 on:** January 06, 2006, 02:50:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
So you perk it and now the VIII is all over the place. Perk that and we're back to La-7s all over the place and running away. Perk that and hello Typhies. Perk that and we have hordes of N1K2-Js. Those are perked now and we have gobs of P-51Ds. Oops, can't have that so we perk it and now Fw190D-9s are too common, dang, perk it. Where'd all these P-47Ns come from? Well, perk them. Dang it, now we have hordes of P-38Ls. A little perk and that is fixed but now we have too many F4U-1Ds. But perking it has always worked in the past. Confound them, they shouldn't all be using Ki-84s so will teach them by perking it. What to do about these Bf109K-4s though? Ah, perk them. The La-5FN seems to be over used, but not after we perk it. The Bf110G-2 is overmodeled and over used, so we perk it. Same with the P-38J apparently. And the Spit IX. When will people learn not to use the best free fighter? Well, they can't use the Bf109G-14 anymore as we perked it. Why would everybody like the Yak-9U so much? Well, perked and it they don't. Arghhh, stupid Seafire Mk II! Perked I say. Ect, ect, ect....

LOL, has to be the BEST and WITTIEST explanation by far.
There will always be a 'favorite' plane, as long as it's not achieving perk plane levels of a 2.0+ K/D ratio it won't get perked.
Ever wondered why the La7 wasn't perked?
Hint, check back through the stats, look at its K/D.

ChristCAF - The Spit XVI had a hell of a climb rate up to about 20k or so.

Creton · « **Reply #42 on:** January 06, 2006, 03:22:14 PM »

While the spit16 is somewhat "uber"it is very beatable.I t wont prop hang with a 38 so take it in the vertacle and keep it there,watch the quick roll rate force tham to keep nose up and they WILL fall of before the 38.Killed plenty of them in ma the same way.I do agree that the pilot makes a lot of difference but there only so many moves that any a/c is capable of performing.If you decide to play into the strengths of the spit16,you will die.Thats just my theory but I can get my stats to prove it easily enough,or I 'd be glad to test it out in the DA sometime.I'm sure that someone would be willing to test this theory.I'll be in the DA Friday night @9:00 cst ,Just look for the 38J.Perking the spit16 wont change much though because the crowd will just move to the next favorite plane on the list.

~~VIC~~

1K3 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 06, 2006, 04:00:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Vuokko
Please give me some tips how I can fight against Spit XVI in 109G2/109G6?

Forget it, G-2s and G-6s are outdated and wont stand up against 1945 spits like spit 16.

You'll need a 109G-14 (light weight version of 109G-6 with nitros) or 109K to combat them effectively.

mauser · « **Reply #44 on:** January 06, 2006, 04:10:57 PM »

LOL

When the 16 first came out it was as if everyone flying it saw me in my 190A5 and thought "look at that idiot... I'll show him he can't get away now." This last tour wasn't so bad, like all Spitfires I just had to keep in mind they need to be kept "at arms length" so to speak, until the right moment. Or fly an FM2

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Honestly, as the planeset becomes larger and larger I see less and less relevance in the perk system. Except for the jets and rocket plane. When the CHog was introduced the main arena was quite different from now. When you saw a sky full of CHogs heading toward your field (like the old screenshot of one of Ripsnort's missions), you knew it was going to hurt. Especially when all we had was the M16 MGMC. Add to that guys like Torque, kbman, and other CHog specialists. The result was many interesting threads on the BBS. Now the planeset is much bigger and on the whole seems more balanced in my opinion. Mixing it up in one of the current perk props can still result in a trip to the tower. No need to perk the 16.