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« Reply #195 on: January 18, 2006, 04:59:25 AM »
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Just read a news article about the Golden Globe Awards.  Three of the films nominated for best picture and other awards had gay themes or main characters:  Brokeback Mountain, Transamerica, and Capote.

Three is not a deluge, but it is significant.


     Just out of curiousity, who nominates the golden globes?
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« Reply #196 on: January 18, 2006, 06:55:39 AM »
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The penalty for most forms of fornication, i.e. sexual activity outside of wedlock under the Old Testament judicial law was death. This included adultery, bestiality, rape, and incest. So actually while people get hung up with the prohibitions and penalty for homosexuality, the Bible (Old and New Testament) forbids all sexual relations outside of those between husband and wife. Simply put, sexual relations within marriage are God's good gift, all the others are a sinful misuse of that good gift.

Today, the laws against all of these are gradually disappearing in the west because we have embraced legal positivism and abandoned the concept that our laws should be based on absolutes. Therefore,  today incest is against the law, but should society decide its ok a few years from now, or more importantly a few judges decide its ok, it will become legal. W

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Ok, so you say that sex outside of marriage is going to lead to incest being accepted in society? wow

Death for anyone who has sex outside of marriage, the old test sounds like it comes right out of the koran, imagine that?


Where are YOU coming from??????????????

Talk about goin off on a WILD tangent WOW!!!!!!!!!

I read the same post and got a really really different take on the incest thing!!!!!!!!

Perhaps you should reread seagoon's post, perhaps you should reread seagoon's post MORE SLOWLY????????????
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« Reply #198 on: January 18, 2006, 07:02:10 AM »
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Just out of curiousity, who nominates the golden globes?


Obviously a bunch of gay men and some women.


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« Reply #199 on: January 18, 2006, 07:08:47 AM »
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The penalty for most forms of fornication, i.e. sexual activity outside of wedlock under the Old Testament judicial law was death. This included adultery, bestiality, rape, and incest. So actually while people get hung up with the prohibitions and penalty for homosexuality, the Bible (Old and New Testament) forbids all sexual relations outside of those between husband and wife. Simply put, sexual relations within marriage are God's good gift, all the others are a sinful misuse of that good gift.

Today, the laws against all of these are gradually disappearing in the west because we have embraced legal positivism and abandoned the concept that our laws should be based on absolutes. Therefore,  today incest is against the law, but should society decide its ok a few years from now, or more importantly a few judges decide its ok, it will become legal. W

- SEAGOON

Ok, so you say that sex outside of marriage is going to lead to incest being accepted in society? wow

Death for anyone who has sex outside of marriage, the old test sounds like it comes right out of the koran, imagine that?


Not sure if you actually took the time to read Seagoon's post or just skimmed over. But, I think you should go back and do it again.

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« Reply #200 on: January 18, 2006, 07:51:06 AM »
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The penalty for most forms of fornication, i.e. sexual activity outside of wedlock under the Old Testament judicial law was death. This included adultery, bestiality, rape, and incest. So actually while people get hung up with the prohibitions and penalty for homosexuality, the Bible (Old and New Testament) forbids all sexual relations outside of those between husband and wife. Simply put, sexual relations within marriage are God's good gift, all the others are a sinful misuse of that good gift.

Today, the laws against all of these are gradually disappearing in the west because we have embraced legal positivism and abandoned the concept that our laws should be based on absolutes. Therefore,  today incest is against the law, but should society decide its ok a few years from now, or more importantly a few judges decide its ok, it will become legal. W

- SEAGOON

Ok, so you say that sex outside of marriage is going to lead to incest being accepted in society? wow

Death for anyone who has sex outside of marriage, the old test sounds like it comes right out of the koran, imagine that?
how can you possibly come to this conclusion????  you may want to re-read seagoon's post there sixpence.  I just read wrag's and lambo's almost identical responses lol
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« Reply #201 on: January 18, 2006, 08:36:28 AM »
xtoronto... I have maybe 200 DVD's and love movies myself.  That is not enough for me to want to see brokebutt.  

I don't want to see hostel either... I think that movies like hostel are very irresponsible.  I think that I would have no problem with executing the director and procucers of hostel if someone copied their movie.  I am sure it is only a matter of time that someone will copy saw and hostel.

I like cars too... build em...  that doesn't mean I have to drive every crap box out there.   I don't want to drive the best minivan out there.

I don't know what there is for me in the movie.  perhaps straffo is correct... perhaps it is too complex for me... or... perhaps it is far too simple.

the fact that a lot is being made of it is the last reason in the world I would go.   It would seem to me that if that is the reason that someone is going then they are the simple ones.

So why see it?   Once, long ago, my girlfriend talked me into seeing "the prince of tides"  I believe it got a lot of attention and awards and had nick nolte in it and lots of talent... it was horrible... It seemed to be about a 5 hour movie and not an interesting moment in it.

That is what I expect from brokebutt...  I either want to be entertained or empathize with a movie or both.  I can't see being anything but bored and depressed by brokebutt.

so tell... me... what's in it for me?

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« Reply #202 on: January 18, 2006, 09:18:26 AM »
"I don't want to see hostel either... I think that movies like hostel are very irresponsible. I think that I would have no problem with executing the director and procucers of hostel if someone copied their movie. I am sure it is only a matter of time that someone will copy saw and hostel."

Not trying to single you out Lazs, but here too, I disagree.  How could they possibly be responsible for some wacko out there copying what he sees in the movie.  What about Scream or any other slasher flick...same deal?  Heat or any other number of heist movies...what if someone gets the idea to rob a bank or an armored car?  Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas...what if somebody decides to take a drugged out road trip to Vegas?  Or hell, any other movie out there that depicts actions that might be hazardous to your health or the health of others...should they also be responsible for the unlawful/harmful actions of the viewers?  You sound like a Liberal.  OK, sorry for going for the low blow, but damn.

BTW...Didn't the Prince of Tides have Barbara Streisand in it?  If so, I'm sorry, and I hope you've recovered.
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« Reply #203 on: January 18, 2006, 09:57:36 AM »
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So why see it?   Once, long ago, my girlfriend talked me into seeing "the prince of tides"  I believe it got a lot of attention and awards and had nick nolte in it and lots of talent... it was horrible... It seemed to be about a 5 hour movie and not an interesting moment in it.


The movie sucked. :)

I can't remember if the book was all that good either, but there were parts that were horribly brutal.
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« Reply #204 on: January 18, 2006, 11:00:18 AM »
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Just out of curiousity, who nominates the golden globes?



...90 journalists who make up the Hollywood Foreign Press Association (HFPA), the body that nominates films and television shows for Golden Globe Awards...

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« Reply #205 on: January 18, 2006, 12:52:11 PM »
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Where are YOU coming from??????????????

Talk about goin off on a WILD tangent WOW!!!!!!!!!

I read the same post and got a really really different take on the incest thing!!!!!!!!

Perhaps you should reread seagoon's post, perhaps you should reread seagoon's post MORE SLOWLY????????????

Sex outside of marriage was the first step in Seagoons slippery slope theory.

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« Reply #206 on: January 18, 2006, 01:25:56 PM »
re read it? I copied right from it
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« Reply #207 on: January 18, 2006, 02:18:59 PM »
I cannot buy into the religion thing, When im close to death, maybe ill get some grasp of this religious mumbo jumbo. Untill then I think the only rights and wrongs in life are what each person feels comfortable with. Besides, why do heterosexual men get so concerned where their fellow mans noodle goes. I understand that when you complain about a movie telling or showing you these homosexual acts, but whats the business of it to you if you havent even seen it?

My mom once said " If they want to be pokin around in eachothers butts leave em alone, They are just doing what their normal is"

And to go further on normal, why is being gay or straight considered normal or not normal? Honestly I feel thats like saying people who arent white, arent normal. Based on the fact that I am white.

And I have to ask, all you guys who are so "personally" offended by gay men, whats your opinion on gay woman.


And my final question, all you anti gay people, would you do anything to prohibit homosexual sex, or are you just "man enough" to sit back or even stand up and say they are not normal and sprew distaste to them?




And no I have never read the bible, nor will I.

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« Reply #208 on: January 18, 2006, 02:25:41 PM »
sob... I know what you mean and am not real big on the whole censorship thing but...  it is sorta like showing how to build a bomb from easily obtained household chemicals... it may be free speech but it is irresponisible...

You and I both know that there will be some sick scum that will copy the movie.  I can't imagine anyone who isn't mentaly ill who would enjoy seeing hostel.   I think that it appeals on a level that is wrong.

I think... no... I know  the producers know it too... I also know that they not only don't care for the victims but probly would revel in the publicity...I am not saying that legally they would be responsible... I am saying that I would have no trouble executing them.   the world would be better off without them.

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« Reply #209 on: January 18, 2006, 03:09:43 PM »
Hi Ack-Ack,

Regarding "hating" people in the name of religion you wrote -

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Guys like Seagoon have been doing that for centuries.  


Didn't expect to be answering this one but since it touches on oft repeating theme, I guess I will.

[Incidentally Ack, I usually need to have met someone before they come to the conclusion they hate and despise me, apparently we cut that step out this time]

Contrary to what you seem to believe,  I don't spend my time railing against homosexuals from the pulpit.

Actually, the vast majority of my preaching is what they call expository and lectio continua, in other words I systematically go verse by verse through a book of the bible. I have no desire to be simply preaching my opinions on current events, and I certainly am not interested in politicizing the pulpit. My job is to act, as Paul put, as "an ambassador" delivering the message of the King. Therefore I hope I can always truthfully say that the main thrust of everything I preach follows the Pauline exhortation: "Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God. For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." (2 Cor. 5:20-21) As a result the majority of my preaching aimed at convicting of sin is aimed within the church - what after all would be the point of convicting men who need the gospel themselves that other men are sinners? In essence, it would be like a patient sick with cancer going to the doctor, and the doctor spending the entire visit diagnosing the ills of his neighbors.  

I end up talking about current events, politics, movies, and so on, here because that is the kind of discussion that goes on around here. Generally, I only begin discussing the bible when someone else mentions it or asks a question. I don't really expect to get into discussions like I had at the office yesterday over the actual meaning of "the husband of one wife" in 1 Tim. 3:2.

Yes, when there is a big issue in the culture that people in the church are talking about and looking for instruction on, I'll teach what scripture says about it, and no I won't just pull one verse out of context, I'll try to systematically present the whole witness of the bible on it (the whole counsel of God - per Acts 20:27) and I won't soft peddle or sugar coat.

I know you probably won't believe this, but while yes, I hate sin - especially my own, and there's gonna be a lot of that for so long as I live - I don't hate sinners. That said, I know that the answer to the problem of sin doesn't lie in denying it or norming it (like Brokeback), or explaining it away or even calling it 'sickness.' The answer to sin lies in grace, forgiveness, and new life. Ultimately, I'm looking forward to an eternity where there are no more sins, sorrows, death, tears, sickness, or any of the other sad consequences of the fall and my desire is to be used in seeing that as many other weary sinners also enjoy the rest of eternity. To that end to quote Baxter, "I preach as never sure to preach again, and as a dying man to dying men." I sincerely regret that that offends you.

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