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Offline Toad

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« Reply #225 on: January 18, 2006, 07:24:26 PM »
So which is it? Is all "brain wiring" normal or is some "brain wiring" abnormal?

If some is "abnormal", what standard is used to judge? Is it only if that particular wiring is a "potential or actual physical threat" to other humans?

And one last question your honor:

All of the "vices" listed by Seagoon, "adultery and fornication, but also pedophilia, homosexuality, and incest" almost always generate either actual physical injury or acute mental anguish in one or more of the parties involved. The one possible exception to that generalization might be fornication performed for and of itself, in other words, for the fun of it by both parties.

Adultery? Somebody usually gets hurt, either physically or mentally or both.

Pedophilia? Yep.... hurt. Incest? Yep...hurtin' fer certain.

Homosexuality...well, what is Brokeback all about if not hurting?

So what's the standard for  "good brain wiring" vs "bad brain wiring? No one gets "hurt"? Define "hurt".
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« Reply #226 on: January 18, 2006, 07:51:12 PM »
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« Reply #227 on: January 18, 2006, 08:00:09 PM »
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Homosexuality...well, what is Brokeback all about if not hurting?


That's a bit of a geralization.

"The combination of the terrific script, Lee's sensitive and precise direction, and the dynamic acting talents of Ledger, as ranch hand Ennis Del Mar, and Gyllenhaal, as rodeo cowboy Jack Twist, has resulted in an exquisitely crafted and ultimately melancholy love story -- epic in scope and intensely intimate at the same time.

Quite simply, this is one of the best films of the year.

To label "Brokeback Mountain" as "the gay cowboy movie" does a great disservice to its haunting love story, stretching over decades, which survived in a time and place in which the two men's feelings for each other were utterly taboo." ... "Neither Ennis nor Jack identify themselves as gay, but after spending a lonely summer on Brokeback Mountain tending sheep for ranch owner Joe Aguirre (Randy Quaid), their slowly emerging emotional bond turns physical when a booze-driven, impromptu primal urge takes over one night. This torrid sexual encounter, tastefully filmed, shames and excites them in equal measure, but is barely acknowledged in the light of day."

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« Reply #228 on: January 18, 2006, 08:18:55 PM »
I don't know about miswired, but homosexuals are certainly different in some way, and are certainly in the minority, so you could say they are abnormal.  But we're talking about a relationship between two concenting adults.  The only thing harmful in this are outside influences as far as I can tell.  And if they do happen to be harming each other in some way in their concentual relationship, that's their business.

I'd have to believe (as I have no figures to back me up and am too lazy to try and search for it) that pedophiles are by far a smaller fraction of the population than homosexuals are.  I've also read that children who are molested are quite a bit more likely to molest children when they reach adulthood.  Whatever the case, pedophiles do serious harm to other individuals, and are not likely to be cured, so miswired brain or not, they should be put down.  I'd feel just as comfortable with incurably phsychotic patients who are a threat to others being put down.


As to the religious view of homosexuality and other sinful ways in general, I just don't get it.  "I don't hate you, but I love God, who will be sending you strait to hell when you die."  That's just kinda hard for me to swallow.  No explanation I've seen to this point has really gotten around that for me.  And to stave off any heated rebuttles, I don't mean that as a judgement on anyone here...I don't know enough about any of you to make a sound judgement on your character.  Well, except for Lazs...he's a big pansie.
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« Reply #229 on: January 18, 2006, 08:26:55 PM »
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sob... I know what you mean and am not real big on the whole censorship thing but...  it is sorta like showing how to build a bomb from easily obtained household chemicals... it may be free speech but it is irresponisible...

You and I both know that there will be some sick scum that will copy the movie.  I can't imagine anyone who isn't mentaly ill who would enjoy seeing hostel.   I think that it appeals on a level that is wrong.

I think... no... I know  the producers know it too... I also know that they not only don't care for the victims but probly would revel in the publicity...I am not saying that legally they would be responsible... I am saying that I would have no trouble executing them.   the world would be better off without them.

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I can't say I KNOW that someone will copy what's done in this movie, but it certainly is possible.  And let's say somebody does.  How does that make the filmmakers responsible?  You obviously don't think your average movie-goer will enter the theater a normal person, and leave as a kill-crazy maniac.  It would take a sick **** to do torture another human being for kicks...and don't you think that sick **** would be doing sick things with or without the movie?  

I was gonna go see Hostel myself, just 'cause it had Tarantino's name on it...he's a weird bastard himself, but I've enjoyed most of his movies.  But a friend of mine saw it first, and said it just plain sucked.  I'm not big on watching torture even in movies, but I hoped there was a good story line to go with it.  I guess not.

One thing I can certainly agree with you on though...in general, most hollywood producers don't give a poop about anything past their wallets.
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« Reply #230 on: January 18, 2006, 08:38:39 PM »
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I was gonna go see Hostel myself, just 'cause it had Tarantino's name on it...he's a weird bastard himself, but I've enjoyed most of his movies.  But a friend of mine saw it first, and said it just plain sucked.  I'm not big on watching torture even in movies, but I hoped there was a good story line to go with it.  I guess not.


SOB just out of curiousity I wanted to see what the lay public thought about Hostel; It's on my "to see" list too, cuz I liked Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill(s). Looks like your friend is right; It's getting poor ratings =>

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« Reply #231 on: January 18, 2006, 08:49:21 PM »
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« Reply #232 on: January 18, 2006, 08:58:55 PM »
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« Reply #233 on: January 18, 2006, 09:02:54 PM »
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The religious answer is that he doesn't, people just choose their sexual preference. The real answer is that everyone deserves to experience love and it is wrong for a religion to try and squash it.

Get it?


As I understand it, the religious (Christian) answer is that homosexuality is a sin, just as any other behavior defined as such.  Christian dogma holds that we are all sinners, it isn't necessarily a concious choice to sin as many sins are committed without planning, but that concious choice is required to overcome.

Dogma holds that God did not create undeserving, he gave us free will to choose (or not choose) the holy path.
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« Reply #234 on: January 18, 2006, 09:04:06 PM »
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Everyone deserves to experiece love? Are you serious? I assume you are serious. So you agree that a pedofile deserves to experience what he considers love. Same goes for a rapist.


Nuke you are the only person I've ever seen describe the actions of a rapist and pedophile as having anything to do with love.

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« Reply #235 on: January 18, 2006, 09:12:22 PM »
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« Reply #236 on: January 18, 2006, 09:19:58 PM »
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« Reply #237 on: January 18, 2006, 09:47:29 PM »
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That's a bit of a geralization.

 


I haven't seen it, probably won't. But then, I'm not addicted to movies in general and only see a handful each year.

So, this is from one of the reviews out there:


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In the end, because they've chosen neither their wives nor each other, they succeed only in hurting everyone involved.


So, nobody gets hurt emotionally in this one?
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« Reply #238 on: January 18, 2006, 10:11:06 PM »
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« Reply #239 on: January 18, 2006, 10:13:47 PM »
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So, nobody gets hurt emotionally in this one?


you're quite right toad, there is emotional pain expressed in this movie...it is this ethos that I found multi-faceted and most compelling