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« Reply #240 on: January 18, 2006, 10:16:21 PM »
OK, so people get hurt and lives get ruined and not just those of the two main characters. We agree.
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« Reply #241 on: January 18, 2006, 10:22:18 PM »
I don't think I'd say lives get ruined...the 2 cowboys had a difficult situation...one gets killed (which was predictable before I even got into the theatre) the other guy ends the movie with him making arrangements to attend his oldest daughters wedding

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« Reply #242 on: January 18, 2006, 10:24:39 PM »
So the lives of the wives aren't ruined/wasted/unhappy? Some reviews I read indicated this.
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« Reply #243 on: January 18, 2006, 10:32:16 PM »
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I haven't seen it, probably won't. But then, I'm not addicted to movies in general and only see a handful each year.

So, this is from one of the reviews out there:




So, nobody gets hurt emotionally in this one?


Seriously? You generalize this to homosexuality=hurt emotionally?

Abnormal is a slippery slope. Is every physical manifestation of a mental process normal? If it occurs in a minority of people is it abnormal? If so the "wiring" that makes a person tend to be left handed is "abnormal". But this normal-abnormal argument is just so much hockum. There are behaviors that are obviously wrong:

Rape - Hurts the woman (or man in San Quentin)
Pedophylia - Hurts the child as well as the child's family

Comparing homosexual behavior to these crimes is just plain silly.

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« Reply #244 on: January 18, 2006, 10:35:59 PM »
one wife never knew about her husband even after he was killed and she was the daughter of a wealthy local businessman...that guy married into the rich family...

...the other guy has two daughters, the wife and him get divorced at some point but remain close as a family

the person who suffers most is the cowboy who lived I guess

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« Reply #245 on: January 18, 2006, 10:41:08 PM »
Ah, MT.. you're back.

Perhaps you'll answer this now.

If some "brain wiring" is "abnormal", what standard is used to judge? Is it only if that particular wiring is a "potential or actual physical threat" to other humans?

And if "potential physical threat" is used, who determines that?
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« Reply #246 on: January 18, 2006, 10:44:18 PM »
Oh, and just for re-entry into the record because it's on this board several times, I really don't care where someone parks their particular sexual organs as long as 1) it occurs between consenting adults and 2) it is a private act.

I don't want to see a couple of any persuasion going at it on the park bench or at high noon in the middle of main street.

I also don't want to see it between a couple where one of the parties is either incapable of consent, not old enough to understand or simply being forced against their will.

Clear enough?
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« Reply #247 on: January 18, 2006, 10:53:50 PM »
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Ah, MT.. you're back.

Perhaps you'll answer this now.

If some "brain wiring" is "abnormal", what standard is used to judge? Is it only if that particular wiring is a "potential or actual physical threat" to other humans?

And if "potential physical threat" is used, who determines that?


I think I addressed that in my previous post but....

While I am desperately trying to avoid the bear trap you are attempting to place I will say this.. "Who determines that?" is the entire point. It should absolutely NEVER be determined by a religion.

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« Reply #248 on: January 18, 2006, 10:57:17 PM »
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"Who determines that?" is the entire point. It should absolutely NEVER be determined by a religion.


i'm in 100% agreement

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« Reply #249 on: January 18, 2006, 11:08:42 PM »
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And here I thought conservative were all about common sense. I'm pretty sure Toad can figure out the big difference between homosexuality and pedophilia.

And Nuke, try to actually make a point when you post. Even adding words to my post and changing the meaning came up pretty empty dude.


Really????

Hmmm......... I thought Toad's questionS was valid, even reasonable.  

I further agree that Toad KNOWS the answerS, or perhaps a better way to put it is HIS answerS.  

That is NOT the QUESTION however.  

The question is to YOU.  

The question is what are YOUR ANSWERS.  

The current claim for both is identical.  It SEEMS the belief is they are hardwired to be that way.  Toad's questionS are valid and to the point.

I also noticed You Sir have yet to answer the questionS.  I don't call the above post an answer to the questionS, I call it slipping away from, or avoiding the questionS.

As to adding words and changing the meaning.... I've seen allot of that done on this board and in particular in this thread soooooooo............  I, and at least 2 others have even pointed this out regarding someone on this thread committing such activity.

So what is your answer to Toad's questionS Sir?  AND I put in my own questions as well.

My questions ....... What of a Homosexual that also happens to be a Pedophile?  AND is such a person doubely hard wired?????
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #250 on: January 18, 2006, 11:29:29 PM »
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I think I addressed that in my previous post but....

While I am desperately trying to avoid the bear trap you are attempting to place I will say this.. "Who determines that?" is the entire point. It should absolutely NEVER be determined by a religion.


OH?   Hmmmmmmmmm..................  I find I disagree, I think, IMHO, you avoided the questions.

Interesting.  "Who determines that" ............. hmmmmmmm....   "It should absolutely NEVER be determined by a religion."

You are then that certain that when the laws against certain things were put into place it was done by a religion?  Or is there a possiblity that some of the people involved were not thinking of religion, or perhaps many of the people involved were not even religious?  Perhaps they were thinking in an old fashoined manner in that they were thinking of their offspring?  Perhaps they created certain laws in defense of themselves and/or their families???????

In your opinion then ........... OK who does?  And futher how shall they go about it?

But, Sir,  you still, it seems, have not answered Toads questions or mine.

OH and for your records

Posted by Toad...........

"Oh, and just for re-entry into the record because it's on this board several times, I really don't care where someone parks their particular sexual organs as long as 1) it occurs between consenting adults and 2) it is a private act.

I don't want to see a couple of any persuasion going at it on the park bench or at high noon in the middle of main street.

I also don't want to see it between a couple where one of the parties is either incapable of consent, not old enough to understand or simply being forced against their will.

Clear enough?"

That is pretty much my belief/attitude as well.  I've ALSO stated as much elsewhere.
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It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #251 on: January 19, 2006, 08:37:01 AM »
There is a group that believes that homsexual acts between adults and children can be very rewarding and decent.   They are "hard wired" to act this way...  they claim no harm.

Homosexuals do cause a lot of harm... as do a lot of legal groups.  They mostly allways harm themselves tho and it is not for me to tell em to not have relations with each other.  

This does not mean I want to see their life unfold in front of me as a "love story" just because a bunch of effete gay movie industry people with an agenda gushed over it... If you do want to see it then you probly have a lot different taste in movies and life than I do.   I suspect anyone of wanting to see it of being a fool not worth knowing.

One of my workers seen hostel and said it was plain ol crap... pure "lets see how twisted we can get away with" crap.   I do not believe that it will make a sane person crazy but I honestly believe that it will encourage and give ideas to an allready crazy person.   Real justice would have the producers and directors as his first and only victims but that is too much to ask for.

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« Reply #252 on: January 19, 2006, 08:44:26 AM »
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There is a group that believes that homsexual acts between adults and children can be very rewarding and decent.   They are "hard wired" to act this way...  they claim no harm.

Homosexuals do cause a lot of harm... as do a lot of legal groups.  They mostly allways harm themselves tho and it is not for me to tell em to not have relations with each other.  

This does not mean I want to see their life unfold in front of me as a "love story" just because a bunch of effete gay movie industry people with an agenda gushed over it... If you do want to see it then you probly have a lot different taste in movies and life than I do.   I suspect anyone of wanting to see it of being a fool not worth knowing.

One of my workers seen hostel and said it was plain ol crap... pure "lets see how twisted we can get away with" crap.   I do not believe that it will make a sane person crazy but I honestly believe that it will encourage and give ideas to an allready crazy person.   Real justice would have the producers and directors as his first and only victims but that is too much to ask for.

lazs
that would be NAMBLA which is an acronym for North American Man/Boy Love Association.  and yes, they lobby for pedophilia.  some leftwing nutjob will be on to proclaim why they are legitimate, extoll their virtues and how this is actually beneficial to the child.

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« Reply #253 on: January 19, 2006, 08:49:47 AM »
I also do not know whether to be offended or amused when a liberal uses the words "common sense" in an arguement.

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« Reply #254 on: January 19, 2006, 09:05:45 AM »
Go with "amused".
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